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   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 26/09/2022 9:34 am, Dr. Who wrote:   
   >   
   > A while back. A long while back I brought up a verse about being perfect, and   
   > also a commandment from Jesus about being perfect, as God is. It was in the   
   > hopes of opening the door of discussion on God and perfection. Most people   
   > see it the wrong way, and few of them ever bother to seek out why God would   
   > even say suck a thing.   
      
   Keep your perversions to yourself, thanks, Robert the Coppersmith.   
      
   Deplorable!   
      
      
      
      
      
   Michael McLean   
      
      
   >   
   > Recently a person brought up the subject in passing, and as usual used the   
   > word erroneously, and brought it up attached to the word righteousness, and   
   > learning.   
   >   
   > So I thought it was time to settle the understanding of the word perfect, as   
   > used by God in both the old and New testaments, what it means and how it   
   > applied to both men and God. It will require some thoughtful meditation to   
   > understand as you struggle to shake off what men typically think of, as   
   > perfection and then it will become clear as we renew our minds per Jesus   
   > Christ. We are commanded to be renewed in our minds. As we were raised and   
   > grew up thinking in ungodly ways, without righteousness. And so we must grow   
   > as all babies do, in the Lord, that we might be complete in him.   
   >   
   > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing   
   > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and   
   > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)   
   >   
   > “And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;” (Eph 4:23)   
   >   
   > While as Born Again Believers we are indeed made the righteousness of God,   
   > spiritually, we must grow into that understanding via the reading of the   
   > word, and listening to the Holy Spirit, so that our minds will grow up into   
   > the fullness and completeness of our Heavenly Father as he desires.   
   >   
   > Here are a few samples, both old and new, the the definitions below.   
   >   
   > OT Verses.   
   >   
   > “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his   
   > generations, and Noah walked with God.” (Gen 6:9)   
   >   
   > “And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram,   
   > and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou   
   > perfect.” (Gen 17:1)   
   >   
   > “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a   
   > buckler to all them that trust in him.” (2Sa 22:31)   
   >   
   > NT Verses   
   >   
   > “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is   
   > perfect.” (Mat 5:48)   
   >   
   > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing   
   > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and   
   > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)   
   >   
   > *************************************************   
   > "Perfect" OT style   
   >   
   > H8549(Ancient Hebrew)H8549 = AHLB# 1496-B (b) 1496)   
   >   
   > Mt% (Mt% TM) ac: Fill co: ? ab: Whole: Someone or something that is whole,   
   > complete or full. One who is mature and upright as one who is whole.   
   >   
   > BDB Hebrew lexicon   
   >   
   > תּמים   
   >   
   > tâmı̂ym   
   >   
   > BDB Definition:   
   >   
   > 1) complete, whole, entire, sound   
   >   
   > 1a) complete, whole, entire   
   >   
   > 1b) whole, sound, healthful   
   >   
   > 1c) complete, entire (of time)   
   >   
   > 1d) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity   
   >   
   > 1e) what is complete or entirely in accord with truth and fact (neuter   
   > adjective/substantive)   
   >   
   > Part of Speech: adjective   
   > Strong's   
   >   
   > תָּמִים   
   >   
   > tâmı̂ym   
   >   
   > taw-meem'   
   >   
   >  From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun)   
   > integrity, truth: - without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely   
   > (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.   
   >   
   > *********************************************** "Perfect" NT Style.   
   >   
   > G5046(Strong)   
   >   
   > τέλειος   
   >   
   > teleios   
   >   
   > tel'-i-os   
   >   
   >  From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and   
   > moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full   
   > age, man, perfect.   
   >   
   > G5046(Thayer)   
   >   
   > τέλειος   
   >   
   > teleios   
   >   
   > Thayer Definition:   
   >   
   > 1) brought to its end, finished   
   >   
   > 2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness   
   >   
   > 3) perfect   
   >   
   > 4) that which is perfect   
   >   
   > 4a) consummate human integrity and virtue   
   >   
   > 4b) of men   
   >   
   > 4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature   
   >   
   > Part of Speech: adjective   
   >   
      
   --   
   Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.   
      
   Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were   
   YET sinners, Christ died for us.   
      
   Jeremiah 10:23  O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it   
   is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.   
      
   "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."   
      
   "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."   
      
   "Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."   
      
   "What makes the bible the truth?  The resonance of God."   
      
   "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving   
   God with all their heart, soul and mind.  An abomination."   
      
   "Compromise will condemn you."   
      
   "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."   
      
   "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."   
      
   "You can't learn righteousness.  Haven't you had enough time already to   
   know that?"   
      
   "The way of truth is the testimony of life."   
      
   "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall   
   where God intends."   
      
   "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."   
      
   "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all   
   live, by faith."   
      
   "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."   
      
   "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look   
   ahead."   
      
   "You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."   
      
   "Priority is everything."   
      
   "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."   
      
   "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander   
   it or to place it where it truly belongs."   
      
   "An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."   
      
   "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to   
   an ignorant straw man."   
      
   "Wait, rest, be still, and know."   
      
   "No man can wash his own hands!!!"   
      
   "I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,   
   and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."   
      
   The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the   
   obvious).  So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"   
      
   "The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."   
      
      
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   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)