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From: dr.who@biosphere.orb
On Sep 25, 2022, Michael McLean wrote
(in article ):
> On 26/09/2022 11:23 am, Dr. Who wrote:
> > On Sep 25, 2022, Michael McLean wrote
> > (in article ):
> >
> > > On 26/09/2022 9:34 am, Dr. Who wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A while back. A long while back I brought up a verse about being
perfect,
> > > > and
> > > > also a commandment from Jesus about being perfect, as God is. It was in
> > > > the
> > > > hopes of opening the door of discussion on God and perfection. Most
people
> > > > see it the wrong way, and few of them ever bother to seek out why God
> > > > would
> > > > even say such a thing.
> > >
> > > Keep your perversions to yourself, thanks, Robert the Coppersmith.
> > >
> > > Deplorable!
> > >
> > > Michael McLean
> >
> > You could have stated you were just not interested in the subject.
>
> We don't need wordy, self-righteous, hypocrite, bullshit from a carnal
> operator, Robert the Coppersmith.
>
> God is complete, without spot or blemish, and those who are His are
> also. However, you carnal excusers, not so much.
>
> Done.
>
> Michael McLean
May God have mercy on your soul.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Recently a person brought up the subject in passing, and as usual used
the
> > > > word erroneously, and brought it up attached to the word righteousness,
> > > > and
> > > > learning.
> > > >
> > > > So I thought it was time to settle the understanding of the word
perfect,
> > > > as
> > > > used by God in both the old and New testaments, what it means and how
it
> > > > applied to both men and God. It will require some thoughtful
meditation to
> > > > understand as you struggle to shake off what men typically think of, as
> > > > perfection and then it will become clear as we renew our minds per
Jesus
> > > > Christ. We are commanded to be renewed in our minds. As we were raised
and
> > > > grew up thinking in ungodly ways, without righteousness. And so we must
> > > > grow
> > > > as all babies do, in the Lord, that we might be complete in him.
> > > >
> > > > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the
> > > > renewing
> > > > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
> > > > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)
> > > >
> > > > “And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;” (Eph 4:23)
> > > >
> > > > While as Born Again Believers we are indeed made the righteousness of
God,
> > > > spiritually, we must grow into that understanding via the reading of
the
> > > > word, and listening to the Holy Spirit, so that our minds will grow up
> > > > into
> > > > the fullness and completeness of our Heavenly Father as he desires.
> > > >
> > > > Here are a few samples, both old and new, the the definitions below.
> > > >
> > > > OT Verses.
> > > >
> > > > “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect
in
> > > > his
> > > > generations, and Noah walked with God.” (Gen 6:9)
> > > >
> > > > “And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to
> > > > Abram,
> > > > and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou
> > > > perfect.” (Gen 17:1)
> > > >
> > > > “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he
is a
> > > > buckler to all them that trust in him.” (2Sa 22:31)
> > > >
> > > > NT Verses
> > > >
> > > > “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
> > > > perfect.” (Mat 5:48)
> > > >
> > > > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the
> > > > renewing
> > > > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
> > > > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)
> > > >
> > > > *************************************************
> > > > "Perfect" OT style
> > > >
> > > > H8549(Ancient Hebrew)H8549 = AHLB# 1496-B (b) 1496)
> > > >
> > > > Mt% (Mt% TM) ac: Fill co: ? ab: Whole: Someone or something that is
whole,
> > > > complete or full. One who is mature and upright as one who is whole.
> > > >
> > > > BDB Hebrew lexicon
> > > >
> > > > תּמים
> > > >
> > > > tâmı̂ym
> > > >
> > > > BDB Definition:
> > > >
> > > > 1) complete, whole, entire, sound
> > > >
> > > > 1a) complete, whole, entire
> > > >
> > > > 1b) whole, sound, healthful
> > > >
> > > > 1c) complete, entire (of time)
> > > >
> > > > 1d) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity
> > > >
> > > > 1e) what is complete or entirely in accord with truth and fact (neuter
> > > > adjective/substantive)
> > > >
> > > > Part of Speech: adjective
> > > > Strong's
> > > >
> > > > תָּמִים
> > > >
> > > > tâmı̂ym
> > > >
> > > > taw-meem'
> > > >
> > > > From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun)
> > > > integrity, truth: - without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely
> > > > (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.
> > > >
> > > > *********************************************** "Perfect" NT Style.
> > > >
> > > > G5046(Strong)
> > > >
> > > > τέλειος
> > > >
> > > > teleios
> > > >
> > > > tel'-i-os
> > > >
> > > > From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental
and
> > > > moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of
> > > > full
> > > > age, man, perfect.
> > > >
> > > > G5046(Thayer)
> > > >
> > > > τέλειος
> > > >
> > > > teleios
> > > >
> > > > Thayer Definition:
> > > >
> > > > 1) brought to its end, finished
> > > >
> > > > 2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
> > > >
> > > > 3) perfect
> > > >
> > > > 4) that which is perfect
> > > >
> > > > 4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
> > > >
> > > > 4b) of men
> > > >
> > > > 4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature
> > > >
> > > > Part of Speech: adjective
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