XPost: alt.atheism, alt.bible   
   From: nobodys@busine.ss   
      
   On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:20:33 +1100, Michael McLean   
    wrote:   
      
   (snip)   
      
   >Malte wrote:   
   >> But gravity is the answer.   
   >   
   >No, it is not, it is beyond that.  All "gravity" is, is a word. ...   
      
   So is 'creator'.   
      
      
   > ...  It is   
   >not an explanation, it is not an understanding, or reason, or even,   
   >indeed, a defining of its reality.   
      
   Ditto.   
      
   The difference is that gravity is a word that represents a perceivable   
   phenomenon in the physical world. Cant say that about your Creator,   
   can we.   
      
   >   
   >It is all about what we perceive.   
   >   
   >We are in a matrix, and all fallen man sees are physical things, and you   
   >lot pretend that is all there is, and thus you give your names to those   
   >physical things as explanation.  All sown up then?  Far from it!   
   >   
   >If our eyes were opened and we could see, say radio waves, or gamma   
   >waves, or electricity, or the 'sound' of music, or the true intent of a   
   >man's words (that'll really shock ya), and so on, we would all be blown   
   >away and blown away again.   
   >   
   >Same with gravity.  If you could see gravity, the last thing you would   
   >be thinking is, "Oh, that is just gravity."  It is much more than a   
   >word, it is a power greater than us.   
      
   ... Huh? Sorry, I dozed off after I read the words "We are in a   
   matrix".   
      
   >   
   >>> I am talking about human perception. For the love of God, human perceive   
   >>> that please!   
   >>   
   >> We perceive 'up' as the opposite direction as 'down' (duh!),   
   >   
   >That is the point.   
      
   Cool. Problem solved.   
   >   
   >> and down   
   >> is pointing towards the center of the sphere we walk on. How do we   
   >> sense it? Gravity! Have you ever heard of gravity? GRAVITYYYYY!!!!   
   >   
   >You said we perceive up and down, and, of course, the "duh," because you   
   >are really weally weally clever, and you just know everything, Malte   
   >mate! The point is, why do we perceive up and down if the world we live   
   >in operates in a dimension of neither up nor down?   
   >   
   >Think about it.   
      
   [thinking really hard]   
      
      
   GRAVITYYYYYYYYYY!   
      
   >   
   >Anyone can parrot what they have heard and/or been told.  Understanding,   
   >though, is another thing.   
   >   
   >I like to explain it this way: a car crashes through the front window of   
   >a supermarket.  Your level is, and it is clear and evident why there is   
   >a car sitting in the middle of the supermarket (gravity).  "It has come   
   >through the damn window," with a "derrrrr" attitude thrown in because   
   >you feel the need, in your insecurity, to assert your tiresome   
   >superiority.  But I am not asking "how" (gravity) the car got into the   
   >centre of the supermarket, but "why?"   
   >   
   >"Gravity" as an answer is entirely unsatisfactory. ...   
      
   Only for those who desperately want there to be 'more out there'.   
      
      
   > ... Screaming "there is a   
   >car in the middle of the supermarket" or "gravity" is just dumb,   
   >extremely shallow, and leaves a mind in a zombie state, like your video   
   >moron.   
   >   
   >In other words, why does "gravity," which knows no up or down, determine   
   >in our perceptions that there is an up and down?   What dimension does   
   >"gravity" exist in to have the power to supersede us and overrule our   
   >perception.   
   >   
   >It is an entity more powerful than us and our perceptions.   
   >   
   >How can I be in space, returning from the moon, aiming to land on the   
   >bottom of the ball (Australia) – from the perspective of space – and yet   
   >appear to land on top of it in our perception?   
      
   Because you enter a region of space where the gravitational field is   
   stronger and therefore you begin to perceive 'up and down' relative to   
   the surface of the Earth.   
      
   >Are you getting warmer?   
   >   
   >The closest I can get for you is what I have already said, "Why do we   
   >perceive up and down if the world we live in operates in a dimension of   
   >neither up nor down?"   
      
   And my answer is still the same.   
   >   
   >> And we're right back where we started.   
   >   
   >Yes, because your answer is unsatisfactory, ...   
      
   Only to you, and only because it renders your metaphysical babble   
   about 'hidden dimensions' and 'Creator' null and void.   
      
   > ... and you know it, ...   
      
   Yes, I know it. See above.   
      
   > ... and now you   
   >should feel it.   
      
   I've felt it from the start. You think you're contemplating the deep   
   mysteries of life, the Universe and everything in it, with an open   
   mind and a level of understanding that qualifies you to give   
   meaningful answers. But you're like a kid sitting in the back seat of   
   a car looking out the window wondering why the Moon appears to follow   
   along.   
      
   --   
   Malte Runz   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)