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   From: cdumont@telusplanet.net   
      
   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:8u3di4htht2l1pat1ufkbr4jh90cus8tqb@4ax.com...   
   >  Unconditional Election   
   >   
   >  Unconditional Election is the doctrine which states that God chose   
   > those whom He was pleased to bring to a knowledge of Himself, not   
   > based upon any merit shown by the object of His grace and not based   
   > upon His looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of   
   > the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own   
   > will, some for glory and others to be passed by (Romans 9:15,21). He   
   > has done this act before the foundations of the world. (Ephesians   
   > 1:3-12 )   
      
   Wrong again the elects did merit.I had asked you what is an elect and you   
   could not answer me, because you do not know and you do not know because you   
   are not an elect, so i will tell you, it is written in Romans 8:30, whom he   
   predestinate he called and whom he called he JUSTIFIED, that means judged   
   and found to be rightous, and whom he justified he glorified that means they   
   are saints, elects. they will not be judged again, happy are those who took   
   part in the first [ resurection] that means judged and found to be rightous.   
     That happened in the first world age, [quess you did not know about that   
   eighter], they fought on the side of God when satan rebeled.   
     Want to know more, just ask.   
      
      
   >  the works of man, good or evil, were never taken into consideration   
   > by God for Him to use such as a cause for salvation or damnation.   
   > Ro. 9:10-13   
   >   
   >  This doctrine does not rule out, however, man's responsibility to   
   > believe in the redeeming work of God the Son (John 3:19). Scripture   
   > presents a tension between God's sovereignty in salvation, and man's   
   > responsibility to believe which it does not try to resolve except to   
   > say that man is dead in trespasses and sins and can not will himself   
   > into the family chosen by God and given to Christ. Both are true -- to   
   > deny man's responsibility is to affirm an unbiblical hyper-calvinism;   
   > to deny God's sovereignty is to affirm an unbiblical Arminianism.   
   >   
   >  The elect are saved unto good works, not because of good works.   
   > (Ephesians 2:10). Thus, though good works will never bridge the gulf   
   > between man and God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a   
   > result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he   
   > admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" and "election"   
   > sure (2 Peter 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication   
   > that God has sown seeds of grace in soil He made fertile.   
   >   
   >  Unconditional Election is the response to the Arminian doctrine of   
   > Condtional Election --- salvation by good works... which came first.   
   >   
   >  the Arminians refused to use the Holy Scriptures as the basis of   
   > their belief system some 400 years ago when a meeting was called to   
   > investigate the Arminian claims.   This meeting was called   
   > the Synod of Dort.  upon their refusal, they left the meeting.   
   >   
   >  Christ Himself taught unconditional election in Luke chapter 4, and   
   > there at least these four prophets of God who were saved while yet   
   > fetuses.  these are, Jacob, David, Jeremiah and John the Baptist.   
   > if man is saved by works these four prophets were saved on conditions   
   > they've filled while not yet recognizable humans.   
   >   
   >  the Arminians teach unconditional election in the same breath   
   > whereas they teach conditional election... on the one hand they say   
   > Christ died for everyone, which is unconditional election, and on the   
   > other, they teach man must " make a decision for Christ, " which is   
   > conditional election.   
   >   
   >  the Lord God remains Sovereign in His plan of election unto life   
   > eternal when the Bible is seen to teach that in Adam's fall sin was   
   > imputed to the entire human race without exception.  out of the human   
   > race, God, of His free will, chose to elect " many "... a people to   
   > His own Name through Jesus Christ, redeeming them to full pardon of   
   > sin by imputation of Christs righteousness set to their account and   
   > thereby adopting these into the family of God.   
   >   
   >  whereas " in Adam all die " ... these are left to themselves...   
   > " separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and   
   > strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God   
   > in the world. " Eph. 2:12.   
   >   
   >  as for those made alive in Christ chosen by God without partiality,   
   > life is given first and believing in Jesus follows ( Jn. 3:3;  Acts   
   > 13:48 ) so that no boast can possibly be had by man to say he " made a   
   > decision for Christ " by which he is saved, but rather... " Blessed is   
   > the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in   
   > Your courts... "  Ps. 65:4  all of the glory for the doing goes to God   
   > in Christ unlike that of the will worshipers.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)