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   From: cdumont@telusplanet.net   
      
   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:7cdnj49sejgsh4do01a0r5hmgs3qnke93i@4ax.com...   
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   >  with the advent of television and movies depicting the life of   
   > Christ when He meets with John to be baptized,  the movie makers tend   
   > to depict the event by displaying baptism by full immersion.  this   
   > method of baptism is contrary to Holy Scripture as can be seen from   
   > the sprinkling of blood with water in the Old Covenant, of which   
   > Christian water baptism is a copy.  Heb. 9:18-20   
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   >  the writer of Hebrews, who was likely Barnabas, by inspiration of   
   > the Holy Spirit, quotes Ex. 24:8 and adds the word ' water ' to the   
   > quoted text saying that the blood sprinkled on the people also   
   > contained water.   
      
      The writer of Hebrews was Paul, and the word baptized mean totally   
   submerged. So you think because the Jews sprinkled goats blood we should   
   just sprinkle water for baptisem, you must be Jewish.   
      
   >  the mode of baptism is then most comparable to sprinkling since it   
   > typifies the sprinkling of the blood of the sacrifice for cleansing of   
   > sin... the center point of the Old Testament types of Christ to come   
   > by the offering of Himself for sin by the shedding of His blood   
   > sprinkled on the people and things of God for their purification.   
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   >  furthermore, in Mk. 7:4, the NASB, KJV, the MKJV, and the NKJV have   
   > the word ' baptismos ' rendered ' washing ' and ' dipping ' in it   
   > which the Pharisees and Jews would do to cleanse their cups, pitchers,   
   > pots..." tables and couches " ... which is omitted in the NASB.   
      
      In Mk.7, Jesus was explaining the traditions of man, the Jewish   
   traditions, something we should not do, you disagree with Jesus?   
      
   >  it can not be imagined that every time the Jews and Pharisees left   
   > their premisses that they would return to hoist their tables and or   
   > couches into a vessel large enough to hold these things since this is   
   > not at all the intended meaning of the word ' baptize ' in this verse.   
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   >  if the word baptize is given to mean full immersion rather than   
   > sprinkling, then the Old Covenant method of typifying the death of   
   > Christ as a propitiatory sacrifice for sin would be the full immersion   
   > in blood of all of God's people... which it does not.   
      
     Did Jesus say that? no, you say that, who should we believe?   
      
   >  it would also mean that we are to understand Philip fully immersing   
   > himself along with the eunuch he baptized as recorded in Acts.   
   > 8:38,39.  this is not the case at all.  the verse does not support the   
   > idea of full immersion but people read into it their preconceived   
   > notions of denominational traditions...  no minister of Christian   
   > baptism fully immerses himself along with the recipients... which is a   
   > hypocritical position not to take, insisting that baptism by full   
   > immersion is being taught in Acts 8:38,39.   
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   >  baptism with, in or by water has absolutely nothing to do salvation.   
   > this is evident from the doctrine of grace freely bestowed upon none   
   > other than John the Baptist and the criminal crucified with Christ.   
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   >  no record exists in Holy Scripture of John the Baptist ever being   
   > baptized as also the criminal crucified with Christ.  John the   
   > Baptist, along with at least 2 other prophets of God of the Old   
   > Testament of Law were given life eternal as fetuses... all of whom   
   > were not sprinkled with the blood and water of the Old Covenant of Law   
   > in order to be saved from their sins... ceremonies do not save even   
   > though they are instituted by God... only God, the Person, can forgive   
   > sin. ( Is. 43:25 ) otherwise, salvation is by the good works of man of   
   > which he can boast.   
      
     Have you ever hear about being baptized by the Holly Spirit, you shoul   
   study on it.   
      
   >  there are no guidelines as to the age of which one should be   
   > baptized by sprinkling... a new born babe fully submerged, as well as   
   > adults, are subject to disease by the bacteria found in baptismal   
   > pools, rivers, creeks and the like, whereas sprinkling with water is   
   > the much more sanitary and humane since there are those afraid of   
   > being underwater... what kind of child abuser would fully immerse a   
   > new born babe ?   
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   >  in Jn. 3:23 it is stated that John was baptizing in Aenon...   
   > " because there was much water there. "  one has to presuppose he was   
   > baptizing by full immersion since it is not specifically stated people   
   > were being submerged by him.  even the earliest paintings of Christian   
   > Baptism were depicted as a sprinkling or pouring of water on the head   
   > of the recipients.   
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   >  reading into Holy Scripture is the common blindness associated with   
   > denominational traditions.   
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      That must be where you get your blindness,   God bless   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)