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   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:ucdnj49rs17benf9f78cdm60m2obapqd77@4ax.com...   
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   >  with perfect consistently throughtout the Holy Scriptures the Name   
   > of the Most Blessed Savior Jesus Christ is declared again and again to   
   > be God Eternal, Savior of His people, Representative of the Godhead in   
   > declaring the Word of God in Spirit and in Truth.   
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   >  from Gen. 1:1 His Holy Scriptures declare the Name of " God " to be   
   > a uni-plural proper noun meaning " united in One, " and we see this   
   > unity when He says... " let Us ( first person plural ) make man in Our   
   > ( first person plural )  image. ( singular ) "   
      
      Yes he included himself, Jesus was God in the flesh.   
      
   >  from this there is no question as to the Name Elohiym meaning One   
   > God who subsists as a united plurality of Persons.  and so it is when   
   > Moses declares... " Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is   
   > one! "  the word  "one " in this verse ( Deut. 6:4 ) means but one   
   > thing... " a unity in a plurality as we see from its use throughtout   
   > the Old Covenant.  the word " one ' here is similar to our word   
   > " people " and is translated " united ' in Ezr. 3:9 where it is   
   > recorded that a number of people stood ' united.'   
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   >  while the pagan concepts of the One Living God suggest that the   
   > elect worship many gods, accusing them of polytheism, it is plain to   
   > see from these verses that Elohiym subsists as a Divine plurality of   
   > Persons.  to say to the contrary is tantamount to calling God a liar   
   > as well as calling His Holy Scriptures a lie... the end result being   
   > all of mankind is without hope since there is no Divine Savior to   
   > rescue.   
   >   
   >  in like manner, all of the false religions of the world suggesting   
   > this have no Savior ( Ro. 8:9 ) since those who are saved from the   
   > wrath to come are filled with His Holy Spirit who declares Truth to us   
   > but not to them.  Jn. 14:17  the elect thereby know in the saving   
   > sense of full deliverance from the bondage of Satan, sin and death,   
   > that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that it is He who is the   
   > object of the Name " Eternal Father " as recorded in Is. 9:6.   
   >   
   >  in the Better Covenant the Name " God " is rendered from the   
   > singular proper noun ' Theos ' as in Mt. 1:23.  the reference to a   
   > unity of Persons is found by using this Name in its singular form   
   > since the prevailing pagan concepts of Deity was that many gods   
   > dominated the all things and were completely independent of one   
   > another.  therefore we find Theos and not Theoi, plural, rendering the   
   > Name of the One True God who subsists as Three Divine Persons.   
   >   
   >  furthermore, the Father says ' I, '  the Son says ' I, ' and the   
   > Holy Spirit says ' I ' in the Better Covenant... intelligent Beings   
   > are self-aware and speak in the first person...they spoke the universe   
   > into being; made man in their own image; each of whom arose Jesus from   
   > the dead... the pagan concepts of Deity run counter to the plain   
   > teaching of Holy Scripture since these are devoid of the Spirit of   
   > Truth ( Jn. 14:17 ) and find the things of God ridiculous. ( 1 Cor.   
   > 2:14 )   
   >   
   >  that Jesus the promised Messiah is God Eternal is taught in Is. 9:6.   
   > no other person could possibly fit the predictions of the coming   
   > Messiah as to His nature, His place of birth, His ministry and all of   
   > the facts concerning His death and resurrection. the Lord God saw to   
   > it Himself by purposing the death of Messiah... the last King of   
   > Israel has no descendants to carry on the throne of David.   
      
     When Jeremiah left Judiah for Egypt he took with him the two daughters of   
   Zedekiah the King of Judah, today Queen Elizabeth is a direct descendent of   
   those Girls, therefore she is the Queen of Israel, you must learn who the   
   twelve tribes of Israel are, the Israel of today is only one tribe, the   
   tribe of Judah.   
      
   >  the pagan concepts of Deity include the idea that God is not   
   > knowable. this conclusion arises from being found in Adam in which all   
   > die the Second Death... and until then are said by God to be in the   
   > snare of the devil taken captive by him to do his will ( 2 Tim. 2:26 )   
   > blinded to the gospel of grace freely bestowed ( 2 Cor.4:4; Eph. 1:6 )   
   > having no hope and without God in the world. ( Eph. 2:12 ) the term   
   > " without God " is translated from the Greek word " atheos " from   
   > which we get the word ' atheist. '   
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   >  the knowledge of God is in the unaltered Holy Scriptures penned by   
   > His holy prophets and apostles, by His direct revelation to them, and   
   > through them alone are given to us, that is, those chosen by grace   
   > freely bestowed to be His witnesses by His Holy Spirit to His Truth   
   > which is our Lord and Savior, Jesus, the Promised Messiah.   
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   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)