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   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:bs7ij45lgeoqervg3jg2lreegof03c0hc1@4ax.com...   
   >   
   >  sinfulness pays a wage.  exclusion from the life of God pays the   
   > bearer a wage now ( Eph. 4:17-19 ) and at Judgement Day at the end of   
   > the age. Rev. 20:11-15   
   >   
   >  but by the mercy and grace of God some are chosen to be given life   
   > by the kind intention of the Father in Christ to be a people to His   
   > Name. ( Eph. 1:3-12 )  these are qualified to share in His inheritance   
   > according to the " free gift " spoken of by the Holy Spirit in Ro.   
   > 6:23, and elsewhere.   
   >   
   >  because the gift of life is said to come " freely " from the One who   
   > possesses it to the one who does not possess it,  it is assured that   
   > the dead do not initiate life in themselves ( Mt. 8:22; Jn. 1:12,13 )   
   > but are left behind in this life ( Eph. 2:12 ) and in the Day of   
   > Judgement, to endure the consequences, or wages, of their sin.  Mt.   
   > 7:21-23   
   >   
   >  being found in Adam brings with it a total inability to deliver   
   > oneself from the bondage of Satan, sin and death.  this is because   
   > with those in Adam " all die, " which certainly illustrates that these   
   > were never alive to God in the spiritual sense but " excluded from the   
   > life of God. "  Eph. 4:18   
   >   
   >  this is why the gift of life is free.  it is given to those who do   
   > not possess it so that the Giver is glorified for His kindness to the   
   > ones He's impartially chosen to be called " His people. " Eph. 1:3-12.   
   >   
   >  thereby the gift of life which is free to those so chosen by God do   
   > not profess the will of man as the generating cause of their   
   > redemption since they did not possess the life.  God possesses the   
   > life.  and since these were once counted as " atheists " ( Eph. 2:12 )   
   > completely devoid of the faith of Jesus it is impossible to please the   
   > Lord. ( Heb. 11:6 )  the receiving of life comes by appointment only   
   > from the Living God ( Acts 13:48 ) after which those so chosen believe   
   > in Jesus Christ.   
   >   
   >  after being given life by the will of God the elect flock to the   
   > Good Shepherd as we read in John chapter 10.  their once dead human   
   > spirits now hear only the voice of Jesus Christ as He leads them into   
   > the knowledge of the Living God by the Holy Spirit, ( Jn. 16:13 )   
   > these will simply not hear any gospel of co-redemption by the will of   
   > man as he perverts the doctrine of grace freely bestowed in order to   
   > get glory for himself for the doing... but rather, the false preachers   
   > of co-redemption will find that their wages are as their preaching...   
   >   
   >  wages unto death.   
      
      You still think your an elect and you have no clue to what your saying,   
   the elects were saved in the first world age, Rev. happy are those who took   
   part in the first resurrection for death has no part for them, so who is   
   left to save? it's those who have free will, God will not interfere in there   
   life in any way, they have to believe in Jesus and repent and they must   
   learn from the elects. You preach that if a person repents on his own he   
   will still go to hell, Jesus said if you call anyone fool you are in danger   
   of hellfire, and that is exactly what you preach, I have never heard of any   
   one claiming to save himself, you make that false claim.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)