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   From: cdumont@telusplanet.net   
      
   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:ev14m4tle25csfgqmoqi76hf7enljap8sl@4ax.com...   
   >   
   > " Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the   
   > wrath of   
   > God comes upon the sons of disobedience. "  Eph. 5:6   
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   >  the " empty words " which deceives men and brings on the wrath of God is   
   > the gospel   
   > of co-redemption... the gospel which is empty... by contrast to the gospel   
   > of grace,   
   > which is the ' power ' of God unto salvation.  Ro. 1:16   
   >   
   >  the gospels of empty words which prevails today all have the common   
   > thread exalting   
   > man to a place where he obtains salvation through a means not provided by   
   > the grace   
   > of God freely bestowed.  he is subtly told he must do something for God   
   > first in   
   > order to invoke God to save him.   
   >   
   >  when God does the saving, God in Christ is exalted.  when man does the   
   > saving, man   
   > is exalted.   
   >   
   >  when God in Christ does the saving, " as many as had been appointed to   
   > eternal life   
   > believed. " ( Acts 13:48 )  when man does the saving, " as many as   
   > believed were   
   > appointed to eternal life. " ... empty words.   
   >   
   >  the Bible teaches there are two kinds of believing.  the one kind which   
   > is empty is   
   > found in Acts 8:9-24.  this is mere assent... to agree with or concur.  it   
   > is purely   
   > objective and knows not God ( v.23 )  this kind of believing simply says   
   > i've ' made   
   > a decision for Christ ' who died for everybody... i'm now a child of God.   
   >   
   >  this kind of believing is done with the " boastful pride of life, " by   
   > man, and not   
   > the heart, by God.   
   >   
   >  the believing which God gives is all of grace freely bestowed upon men   
   > who are but   
   > " in the flesh and can not please God " ( Ro. 8:8 )  by a mouthful of   
   > words ordered   
   > that he should repeat by saying some ' sinner's prayer, '  God will not   
   > have His   
   > salvation bestowed by any other means than that of free grace. ( Eph.   
   > 1:6 )   
   >   
   >  this kind of believing follows after life is bestowed. ( Jn. 3:3;  Acts   
   > 13:48 )  it   
   > is purely subjective and knows the Lord who first loved us, ( 1 Jn. 4:19 )   
   > that is,   
   > us the chosen ones of grace freely bestowed.  all of the glory for the   
   > doing goes to   
   > God in Christ, the Creator of the Better Covenant, naming all those whom   
   > He chose to   
   > grace freely, without conditions, in the Lambs Book of Life, before   
   > Creation.  Eph.   
   > 1:3-12.   
   >   
   >  if there is one thing the Holy Spirit does not do it is to glorify   
   > man.( Jn.16:14 )   
   > He glorifies Jesus Christ, Eternal God the Son.  man, on the other hand,   
   > trys to rob   
   > the Lord Jesus by insisting on a gospel of co-redemption.  since such a   
   > gospel exists   
   > only for the those devoted to robbing Christ of all of the glory for the   
   > doing.   
   >   
   >  there is perhaps no better illustration of grace being freely bestowed   
   > than upon   
   > the four Bible prophets elected to salvation while yet fetuses, namely;   
   > Jacob, David,   
   > Jeremiah and John the Baptist.  and there is perhaps no better   
   > illustration of the   
   > effects of preaching such a gospel to those passed by for grace freely   
   > bestowed as   
   > when the hearers of Jesus tried forcefully to throw Him over a cliff for   
   > preaching   
   > such, as recorded in Luke chapter four...   
   >   
   > ... "  but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. '   
   > Jn. 15:19   
      
      
      Do You know what your doing??  I don't think so,  you invented a sin [man   
   saves himself] then go around conddaming most Christians to hell.   
     Do you know what you are saying?? your saying you can repent all you want   
   and you won't be saved,  do you know how many times Christ said repent ?? do   
   you know what repent means??  You are preaching the opposite of what Christ   
   preached, do you know what that makes you??? and you believe you are a   
   choosen one, think again.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)