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   Re: If Christ " died for everyone " then   
   10 Jan 09 06:22:47   
   
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   From: cdumont@telusplanet.net   
      
   "simple simon"  wrote in message   
   news:jteem4lvvk3im4sblrvpc8g2837mbgdttu@4ax.com...   
   >   
   >  the kind of Savior offered today is based solely on a gospel where one   
   > must first   
   > do something good towards Christ... then God owes him something... and   
   > thus he is   
   > saved... salvation is the payment for doing good.   
   >   
   >  such is the gospel of the Fundamentalist types.   
      
     This is what the Scriptures say exp. Acts 26:20 repent and turn to God,   
   and do good works. does that sound the same as what your preaching?? no   
      
   >  on the one hand they say " Christ died for everyone "  yet   
   > " everyone " is not saved... the Bible is replete with verses which   
   > declare hell will   
   > be quite full.  but how can this be since the Fundamentalists say Christ   
   > died for   
   > everyone ?   
   >   
   >  they are offering a Savior who failed at Calvary to secure salvation for   
   > " everyone."   
   >   
   >  mix in a good work, such as, " asking Jesus to come into your heart"   
   > " make a decision for Christ " ... " accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior   
   > " ... and   
   > then ( and only then ) will He have died for ' someone, '  but not   
   > everyone.   
   >   
   >  a pardon that doesn't pardon is no pardon at all.  an atonement that   
   > doesn't atone   
   > is not an atonement which includes ' everyone. '   
      
       Salvation is conditional, LK.3:3. except you repent, LK. 17:3. if you   
   repent, EXCEPT and IF are conditions you must meet, Rev. 2:5. DO FIRST THE   
   WORK,,,  EXCEPT you REPENT.   
      
      
   >  so, if you're offering a gospel of a Savior who died for everyone and   
   > everyone   
   > isn't saved then you have a different gospel than that of the Bible.   
   >   
   >  if you are offering a gospel where something good from man must come   
   > first before   
   > God can save then you have a salvation by works gospel and something of   
   > which to puff   
   > up your chest, wag your head and boast.   
      
     Read the capital letters above.   
      
   >  the Savior that is really offered by the Fundamentalist types is not   
   > omnipotent and   
   > did in fact fail at Calvary.  His work at the cross is incomplete without   
   > the help of   
   > man doing something good towards God prompting Him, requiring of Him to   
   > save... save   
   > but only the ' few ' since He died for everyone.   
   >   
   >  this makes no sense because its a gospel made by man for man.   
   >   
   >  the gospel of the Bible says man is saved by the Omnipotent Savior Jesus   
   > Christ   
   > Eternal God the Son by His grace... and grace means unmerited favor... if   
   > you've "   
   > asked Jesus to come into your heart " you've merited salvation by that   
   > good work...   
   > which is no salvation at all.   
      
      Read the capital letters above and pray for understanding, do not preach   
   satans words anymore, your soul is in trouble.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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