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   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:eitdo45km6jvpneq4pbosfu25loduum08k@4ax.com...   
   >   
   >  putting this term in a worldly example, Co-redemption is putting the cart   
   > before   
   > the horse.   
   >   
   >  putting this term in Biblical language, Co-redemption is a smartly done   
   > good work   
   > or works which claims to invoke God to save unto eternal life in Christ.   
   > it is   
   > opposed to grace, cancels grace, and falls from grace since the   
   > co-redeemer claims an   
   > active part in obtaining his own salvation.   
   >   
   >  we see this idea of co-redemption flourishing today in what the Word of   
   > God calls   
   > " self-made religion. " ( Col. 2:23 )  the Apostasy has been in the   
   > churches since   
   > the first century as we read in Revelations, and today this Apostasy is of   
   > such   
   > magnitude that co-redemption is taken as the true gospel, which it is not.   
   >   
   >  to test the gospel of Co-redemption all one has to do is ask some   
   > questions :   
   > " who gets the glory for saving me "?  Co-redeemers will answer this   
   > question by   
   > saying Christ Jesus saved me... asking just how He saved them, they will   
   > say because   
   > " i obeyed; or i repented; or i chose Christ; or i was baptized; or i was   
   > confirmed "   
   > on so and on and on... every religion has its own ideal method of   
   > salvation.   
   >   
   >  what is actually being said is that something had to come from me first   
   > in order to   
   > invoke God to save... that, is the chief element in the gospel of   
   > Co-redemption.   
   > this idea of Co-redemption is well addressed in the Word of God and is as   
   > light as   
   > day to someone giving God all of the glory but as dark as night to those   
   > invoking God   
   > to save by some good thing they've done out of positive volition towards   
   > Christ.   
   >   
   >  the Word of God puts salvation in an exact order of events... first, one   
   > is given   
   > life, then one believes the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Acts 13:48 makes this   
   > abundantly   
   > clear.   
   >   
   >  again, Jesus explains that " "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is   
   > born again,   
   > he cannot see the kingdom of God." ( Jn. 3:3 )  here it is in front of   
   > everyone's   
   > eyes that first, one is born again and then sees or perceives the kingdom   
   > of God.   
   > Co-redeemers teach these verses in reverse order.  this makes salvation by   
   > any other   
   > means than undeserved merit out to be deserved merit because they claim to   
   > have   
   > " obeyed, or repented, or were baptized, or spoke in tongues, or made a   
   > decision for   
   > Christ, or are keeping the Law of Moses " and so on, which invoked God to   
   > save them.   
   >   
   >  this makes the grace of God something to be earned all the while grace is   
   > bestowed   
   > freely. ( Eph. 1:6 )  because the grace of God is indeed freely bestowed,   
   > God   
   > declares that He is found of those who did not seek Him, He is manifest to   
   > those who   
   > did not ask for Him. ( Ro. 10:20 )  yet, a co-redeemer insists that some   
   > good thing   
   > he's done invoked God to save him.   
   >   
   >  God, in His Word says succinctly that "  He chose us in Him before the   
   > foundation   
   > of the world. " ( Eph. 1:4 )  Paul is writing to believers, not the   
   > reprobate.  the   
   > people in view who were chosen by God before the foundation of the world   
   > to be   
   > cleansed of their sins and made blameless by the work of Christ are the   
   > ones, and   
   > only the ones saved by grace freely bestowed. ( v. 6 )  the reprobate   
   > co-redeemers   
   > are passed by for salvation. Eph. 2:12 )...   
   >   
   >  hence their inability to understand the grace of God as God explains it   
   > in His   
   > Word.  these do not perceive the kingdom of God as in Jn. 3:3 because   
   > they've made in   
   > this Apostasy grace to be something earned.   
   >   
   >  this of course means that they are smarter than the next guy... these   
   > desire to   
   > control God, control salvation, making it a denominational must before one   
   > can join   
   > the club.  this control of salvation and God Almighty leaves out all those   
   > less fit   
   > then they... persons with mental impairments, aborted fetuses, everyone   
   > not of their   
   > co-redeeming belief systems.   
   >   
   >  the Bible doctrine of election so states that those not chosen are judged   
   > already   
   > as in Jn. 3:18.  for these, there is no salvation possible, judgement is   
   > passed   
   > against them before the foundation of the world... ( Bible word " already   
   > " as in Jn.   
   > 3:18... a reference to time past and present... marking an action as   
   > completed )   
   >   
   >  because many are on the road to perdition it is of no wonder that   
   > salvation by   
   > co-redemption is designed for those of itching ears who profess a   
   > do-it-yourself   
   > salvation.  these are quick to scream heresy ! at the few who are on the   
   > road to life   
   > simply because the co-redeemers are not on it... and as Jesus taught   
   > unconditional   
   > election in Luke chapter four... so His hearers tried to throw Him over a   
   > cliff.   
   >   
   >  such it is with those who claim they've done a righteous act of their own   
   > free will   
   > which by so doing think they've invoked God to save them.  Jn. 10:1   
   >   
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   >   
   >  " He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in   
   > righteousness, but   
   > according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the   
   > Holy   
   > Spirit,   
   >   
   > whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that   
   > being   
   > justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to [the] hope of   
   > eternal   
   > life. "  Titus 3:5-7   ( NASB )   
      
      
      I t is unfortunate you don't know the difference between a Elect and a   
   free will,  you are not an Elect because you don't understand the   
   Scriptures, Jesus said knock and i will open, you say knock and he won't let   
   you in, Jesus said repent and you will be forgiven, you say repent all you   
   want and you wont be forgiven, who should we listen too.   
     I'll bet you don't know what Jesus meant when he said you must be born   
   again [from above] ?? please answer this question to the best of your   
   ability.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)