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   From: cdumont@telusplanet.net   
      
   "old man joe"  wrote in message   
   news:vrm2p45d5cnh40kec4fv0nijenidrv91aa@4ax.com...   
   >   
   >  there's not a person on earth who can recall his being born, nor the   
   > first day of   
   > his birth, nor the first year of his existence.   
   >   
   >  what then could be the cognizant awareness of a fetus ?   
   >   
   >  none whatsoever.  these are the victims of this world and the victims   
   > left out of   
   > the kingdom of God because a fetus can not fill the conditions placed on   
   > them by   
   > co-redeemers.   
   >   
   >  the fetus neither is self-aware nor cognizant of its own existence.   
   > needless to say, the fetus can not fill the condition of " making a   
   > decision for   
   > Christ " or have salvation passed along to it by the will of the parents,   
   > nor by its   
   > own will... Jn. 1:12,13.   
   >   
   >  the fetus has no will to respond to a gospel it can not understand   
   > anyway.   
   >   
   >  in the world of non-Biblical religion this fetus is murdered before it is   
   > ever born   
   > to see the light of day and has no hope of salvation because it can not   
   > fill the   
   > conditions placed on it.   
   >   
   >  if the co-redeemer says this fetus is automatically saved since it never   
   > heard the   
   > gospel and God is love and is merciful, then here we have two kinds of   
   > salvation...   
   > one kind these are preaching is conditional and the other kind these are   
   > preaching is   
   > unconditional.  can these not make up their mind ?   
   >   
   >  yet, this is their response to such questions as to the aborted fetuses   
   > plight.   
   >   
   >  what theco-redeemer does not understand nor care to know is that there   
   > are recorded   
   > in Holy Scripture at least four prophets of God saved unconditionally   
   > while yet   
   > unborn fetuses.  these are Jacob, David, Jeremiah and John the Baptist.   
   > four   
   > wonderful examples of God's salvation in Christ which no one can refute   
   > lest he be   
   > found fighting against God.   
   >   
   >  wonderfully, the Blessed Savior Jesus Christ Himself taught unconditional   
   > election   
   > in Luke chapter four... and when the Pharisees brought to Him a woman they   
   > caught in   
   > the act of adultery, Jesus simply forgave her unto eternal life without   
   > her ever so   
   > much as " making a decision for Christ " nor " accepting Jesus as her Lord   
   > and Savior   
   > " nor did she make some " altar call " nor recite some " sinner's prayer "   
   > to fill   
   > all kinds of co-redeptive conditions placed on grace " freely bestowed. "   
   >   
   >  God first gives life, believing then follows. Acts 13:48;  Jn. 3:3   
   >   
   >  to insist on any salvation other than God first giving life to those dead   
   > in sin is   
   > to call God a liar.   
      
     Do you know of a fetus who sinned??? i dont,  they are without sin and are   
   saved.   
     You say there are four who were saved before being born, the Scriptures   
   say there were millions. 1 Kings.19:18, God said i have saved for myself   
   seven thousand who have not knelled to baal and have not kissed him,  seven   
   means spiritual completness and thousand means the Glory of God, there are   
   millions and most of them are here today,  study.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)