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   From: MeanDog@NoLefties.dot   
      
   On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:19:55 -0700, nickname unavailable   
   <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote:   
      
   >On 10/15/2025 12:23 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 15:29:47 -0700, nickname unavailable   
   >> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> in alt.atheism   
   >> with message-id  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 10/14/2025 1:42 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 15:21:47 -0700, nickname unavailable   
   >>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> in alt.atheism   
   >>>> with message-id <0GfGQ.311385$2R62.62622@fx13.iad> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> If you're using undocumented people's tax records to find them and   
   kidnap them,   
   >>>>> then it was never about them not paying taxes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Legal deportation is not kidnapping.   
   >>>   
   >>> ICEstapo is kidnapping people.   
   >>   
   >> And doing what with them?   
   >   
   >Detaining them in harsh conditions for weeks and months.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If you're showing up at their places of employment, then it was never   
   about them   
   >>>>> not working.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Correct.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If you're showing up and kidnapping them at courthouses, then it was   
   never about   
   >>>>> them not doing it "the right way."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The right was is to not enter the country illegally.   
   >>>   
   >>> Showing up at courthouses for hearings also is doing it the right way.   
   >>   
   >> Leaving the country is doing it the right way.   
   >   
   >Kidnapping people who are doing things the right way is wrong.   
   >   
   >>> Kidnapping them there is the wrong way, proving it was never about "doing   
   it the   
   >>> right way."   
   >>   
   >> You say kidnapping.  I say deporting.   
   >   
   >Months after kidnapping them and holding them in harsh conditions.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If you're kidnapping women and children, then it was never about   
   criminals.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Legal deportation is not kidnapping.   
   >>>   
   >>> This isn't the deportation. This is the seizures, which is kidnapping.   
   >>   
   >> After "seizures" what happens?  They are deported since   
   >   
   >No, they are held for weeks or months in harsh conditions.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If you're not giving them due process, then it was never about the   
   Constitution.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They did not seek "due process" when they sneaked in   
   >>>> illegally.   
   >>>   
   >>> Fuck off. They don't owe anyone "due process." The state owes it to them   
   when   
   >>> depriving them of liberty.   
   >>   
   >> Deportation of illegal criminals is not depriving anyone of   
   >> liberty.   
   >   
   >It is.   
   >   
   >> Since being in the country is an ongoing federal criminal   
   >> offense   
   >   
   >No, it is not a criminal offense in any sense. This is settled law. Unlawful   
   >presence is *not* a crime. Improper entry ("entry without inspection") is a   
   >crime, but unlawful presence is not a crime. The Supreme Court said so in   
   >Arizona v. United States (2012)   
   >https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-182   
   >   
   >It's not a crime. You are wrong, as always.   
      
   From your cite:   
   Unlawful entry and unlawful reentry into the country are federal   
   offenses. §§1325, 1326.   
      
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