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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Attila"  wrote in message   
   news:o5r0fkt12ek35c3582i9tpgspp7ch6dtoo@4ax.com...   
   > On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:20:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>Attila  wrote in   
   >>news:5e00fktjfmlqdqs4d6thk6sltvjvqpqmi8@4ax.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:28:49 -0700, nickname unavailable   
   >>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> in alt.atheism   
   >>> with message-id  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On 10/15/2025 12:30 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 02:30:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Scout"  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:10cmt7j$3bi15$1@dont-email.me:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "Attila"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>> news:56dtektkuimtbidskj24681mv4bi17a8fm@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 15:21:47 -0700, nickname unavailable   
   >>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> in alt.atheism   
   >>>>>>>> with message-id <0GfGQ.311385$2R62.62622@fx13.iad> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If you're using undocumented people's tax records to find them   
   >>>>>>>>> and kidnap them,   
   >>>>>>>>> then it was never about them not paying taxes.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Legal deportation is not kidnapping.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If you're showing up at their places of employment, then it was   
   >>>>>>>>> never about them   
   >>>>>>>>> not working.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Correct.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If you're showing up and kidnapping them at courthouses, then it   
   >>>>>>>>> was never about   
   >>>>>>>>> them not doing it "the right way."   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The right was is to not enter the country illegally.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If you're kidnapping women and children, then it was never about   
   >>>>>>>>> criminals.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Legal deportation is not kidnapping.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> If you're not giving them due process, then it was never about   
   >>>>>>>>> the Constitution.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> They did not seek "due process" when they sneaked in   
   >>>>>>>> illegally.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Seems to me that process dates back to Obama who allowed expedited   
   >>>>>>> deportation without a trial.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     There is no such thing as a deportation trial.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     They ARE required to have a hearing.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     Which Obama provided.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     And Trump does not.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No hearing was required for illegal entry.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>The immigrants don't owe anyone any "hearing." They do not owe anyone   
   >>>>due process. They are *entitled* to due process when the state is   
   >>>>depriving them of liberty and property.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is a court ruling, and I disagree.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>It is not a court ruling, it is the CONSTITUTION.   
   >>   
   >>"nor shall any State deprive any person of life,   
   >>liberty, or property, without due process of law;   
   >>nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction   
   >>the equal protection of the laws."   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>Not any citizen.   
   >>   
   >>ANY PERSON   
   >>   
   > We will se if the SC agrees as to the intent.   
      
   Seems to me that Obama was the one that enacted federal law that didn't   
   require a hearing allowing for 'expedited' deportation.   
      
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