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From: invalide@invalid.invalid
Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote in
>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:074rfklkg5lortcr4sg22vkusg9e4g3i67@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in news:1taLQ.348609$RrE7.292641@fx45.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you think
>> it's
>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually, obsessed
—
>>>>>>>>>>> with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or smokescreen for
>>>>>>>>>>> your racism. You don't really care about immigration status per
>>>>>>>>>>> se. What you care about is their race/ethnicity. If there were
>>>>>>>>>>> 10 million
>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes,
Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch — unlawfully present in the country, you wouldn't say
a
>>>>>>>>>>> thing. We know this about you. The issue for you and your
>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to pass
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's called H-2A
>>>>>> visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant fuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>> harvesting?
>>>>
>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>> MAy 1
>>
>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>> the finances of Social Security," said
>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>> proposal to address Social Security's
>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>> employment and family-based visas.
>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>> throughout their lifetime."
>>
>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>> workers without employment authorization
>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>
>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>> (The report takes into account both
>> employer and employee contributions
>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>
>> "The federal government is essentially
>> receiving free money from these
>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
>> "They are contributing to a system they
>> will not benefit from. Who is benefiting?
>> It's American citizens."
>>
>> For instance, the surge of immigrants
>> in recent years is expected to boost
>> Social Security's revenues by $348
>> billion between 2024 and 2034,
>> according to a Congressional Budget
>> Office analysis released last year.
>> Over the same period, these folks
>> will collect only about $1 billion,
>> the CBO projected.
>>
>> https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/undocumented-immigrants-
>> social-security
>
>
> CNN??? Really?
Yes. Unless you have other figures to post?
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