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From: MeanDog@Menace.Dash
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
wrote:
>Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote in
>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:074rfklkg5lortcr4sg22vkusg9e4g3i67@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in news:1taLQ.348609$RrE7.292641@fx45.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you think
>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually, obsessed —
>>>>>>>>>>>> with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or smokescreen for
>>>>>>>>>>>> your racism. You don't really care about immigration status per
>>>>>>>>>>>> se. What you care about is their race/ethnicity. If there were
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 million
>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch — unlawfully present in the country, you wouldn't say a
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. We know this about you. The issue for you and your
>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to pass
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's called H-2A
>>>>>>> visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant fuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>
>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>> MAy 1
>>>
>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>
>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>> workers without employment authorization
>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>
>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>>> (The report takes into account both
>>> employer and employee contributions
>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>>
>>> "The federal government is essentially
>>> receiving free money from these
>>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
>>> "They are contributing to a system they
>>> will not benefit from. Who is benefiting?
>>> It's American citizens."
>>>
>>> For instance, the surge of immigrants
>>> in recent years is expected to boost
>>> Social Security's revenues by $348
>>> billion between 2024 and 2034,
>>> according to a Congressional Budget
>>> Office analysis released last year.
>>> Over the same period, these folks
>>> will collect only about $1 billion,
>>> the CBO projected.
>>>
>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/undocumented-immigrants-
>>> social-security
>>
>>
>> CNN??? Really?
>
>Yes. Unless you have other figures to post?
Knowing that I cannot depend on CNN offering honest and accurate
information does not require anything beyond an understanding of what
CNN is.
On the other hand, I've no issue with you believing whatever you need
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