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From: MeanDog@Menace.Dash
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 14:30:57 +0000, Mitchell Holman
wrote:
>Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote in
>news:h8d3hk50l9k39tjnb2p5qr5cn6bhdihd74@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:074rfklkg5lortcr4sg22vkusg9e4g3i67@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1taLQ.348609$RrE7.292641@fx45.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually, obsessed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> — with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smokescreen for your racism. You don't really care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration status per se. What you care about is their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race/ethnicity. If there were 10 million
>>>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish, Dutch — unlawfully present in the country, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't say a thing. We know this about you. The issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you and your
>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to pass
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's called
>>>>>>>>> H-2A visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant fuck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>>>> MAy 1
>>>>>
>>>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>>>
>>>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>>>> workers without employment authorization
>>>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>>>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>>>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>>>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>>>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>>>>> (The report takes into account both
>>>>> employer and employee contributions
>>>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>>>>
>>>>> "The federal government is essentially
>>>>> receiving free money from these
>>>>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>>>>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
>>>>> "They are contributing to a system they
>>>>> will not benefit from. Who is benefiting?
>>>>> It's American citizens."
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance, the surge of immigrants
>>>>> in recent years is expected to boost
>>>>> Social Security's revenues by $348
>>>>> billion between 2024 and 2034,
>>>>> according to a Congressional Budget
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