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   From: f00@0f0.00f   
      
   Jerry Buchanan wrote:   
   > On 11/21/2025 11:08 AM, jojo wrote:   
   >> Jerry Buchanan wrote:   
   >>> On 11/21/2025 10:51 AM, jojo, always an idiot, spewed:   
   >>>> Jerry Buchanan wrote:   
   >>>>> On 11/21/2025 10:15 AM, jojo, always an idiot, spewed:   
   >>>>>> Jerry Buchanan wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 11/21/2025 9:46 AM, jojo, always an idiot, spewed:   
   >>>>>>>> Jerry Buchanan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2025 8:46 AM, jojo, always an idiot, spewed:   
   >>>>>>>>>> Jerry Buchanan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2025 8:31 AM, jojo, always an idiot, spewed:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Clave wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Agree to disagree" is reserved for things like   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pink Floyd is better than Led Zeppelin." *Not*   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> racism, homophobia, sexism. *Not* basic human   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> decency. *Not* human rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Not* the right to be treated equally regardless of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> race, religion, color, creed or sexual orientation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> We do not have a difference of opinion on those. We   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a difference in morality. Those who do not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> oppose the "isms" and who do not support basic human   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> decency and human rights have no morality.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> morality is a spectrum.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> No, you stupid shit-4-braincell, it is not. Morality   
   >>>>>>>>>>> is binary. Something is moral within a society or it   
   >>>>>>>>>>> isn't. There are no "degrees" of morality.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> so for the trolley problem, which is the moral choice?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Moral philosophers can't agree on which is the moral   
   >>>>>>>>> choice, but they do agree that if there is one, that one   
   >>>>>>>>> is fully moral, not moral "to some degree."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You're an idiot.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> oohhhh and how would one find out if there is one?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It doesn't matter "how" — if there is one, that is the   
   >>>>>>> moral choice/option and the other is immoral.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You're still an idiot.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> so you dont know if there is a moral choice   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I don't know, and neither do you, idiot. But if there is a   
   >>>>> way to decide, the choice that is held to be the moral one   
   >>>>> is just moral, period. It is not "more moral" than the   
   >>>>> other. Faced with the available options in the thought   
   >>>>> experiment, one is moral and the other is not. There is no   
   >>>>> "degree" to morality. There is right and wrong, or right and   
   >>>>> not right. This is settled.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You'll always be an idiot.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> nothing is settled   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, the binary nature of morality is settled.   
   >>>   
   >>>> because you cannot decide what to do.   
   >>>   
   >>> Irrelevant.   
   >>   
   >> no decision, no judgement.   
   >   
   >    
      
   i would advise taking a nap, provided you can decide.   
      
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