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Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
> wrote:
>
>> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you think
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually, obsessed
—
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or smokescreen for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your racism. You don't really care about immigration status per
>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. What you care about is their race/ethnicity. If there were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 million
>>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes,
Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch — unlawfully present in the country, you wouldn't
say a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. We know this about you. The issue for you and your
>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to pass
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's called H-2A
>>>>>>>> visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant fuck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>
>>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>>
>>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>>> MAy 1
>>>>
>>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>>
>>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>>> workers without employment authorization
>>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>>
>>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>>>> (The report takes into account both
>>>> employer and employee contributions
>>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>>>
>>>> "The federal government is essentially
>>>> receiving free money from these
>>>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>>>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
>>>> "They are contributing to a system they
>>>> will not benefit from. Who is benefiting?
>>>> It's American citizens."
>>>>
>>>> For instance, the surge of immigrants
>>>> in recent years is expected to boost
>>>> Social Security's revenues by $348
>>>> billion between 2024 and 2034,
>>>> according to a Congressional Budget
>>>> Office analysis released last year.
>>>> Over the same period, these folks
>>>> will collect only about $1 billion,
>>>> the CBO projected.
>>>>
>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/undocumented-immigrants-
>>>> social-security
>>>
>>> CNN??? Really?
>>
>> Yes. Unless you have other figures to post?
>
> Knowing that I cannot depend on CNN offering honest and accurate
> information does not require anything beyond an understanding of what
> CNN is.
>
> On the other hand, I've no issue with you believing whatever you need
> to believe about CNN and what they tell you.
Still can't post any figures, eh?
Maybe this will help you:
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
* Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and
local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the
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