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From: MeanDog@stonewall.Dash
On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 19:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
wrote:
>Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
>news:5tk3ikpdogm29poppmj419joamih2anmkn@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 15:01:42 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
>>>news:hsp2ik1se940tp1dvsfet44digc8468bdq@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 23:31:04 -0700, Gronk
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obsessed — with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smokescreen for your racism. You don't really care
>about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration status per se. What you care about is their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race/ethnicity. If there were 10 million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians,
>Danes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish, Dutch — unlawfully present in the country, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't say a thing. We know this about you. The issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you and your
>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to
>pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> called H-2A visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>>>>>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>>>>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>>>>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>>>>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>>>>>>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>>>>>>>> MAy 1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>>>>>>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>>>>>>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>>>>>>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>>>>>>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>>>>>>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>>>>>>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>>>>>>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>>>>>>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>>>>>>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>>>>>>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>>>>>>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>>>>>>>> workers without employment authorization
>>>>>>>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>>>>>>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>>>>>>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>>>>>>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>>>>>>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>>>>>>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>>>>>>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>>>>>>>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>>>>>>>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>>>>>>>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>>>>>>>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>>>>>>>>> (The report takes into account both
>>>>>>>>> employer and employee contributions
>>>>>>>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The federal government is essentially
>>>>>>>>> receiving free money from these
>>>>>>>>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>>>>>>>>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
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