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> Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
> news:5tk3ikpdogm29poppmj419joamih2anmkn@4ax.com:
>
> > On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 15:01:42 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
> >>news:hsp2ik1se940tp1dvsfet44digc8468bdq@4ax.com:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 23:31:04 -0700, Gronk
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
> >>>>>>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
> >>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>>>>>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned โค? actually,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obsessed โค? with unlawful presence?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smokescreen for your racism. You don't really care
> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration status per se. What you care about is their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race/ethnicity. If there were 10 million
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> white
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans โค? Finns, Swedes, Norwegians,
> Danes,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish, Dutch โค? unlawfully present in the country, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't say a thing. We know this about you. The issue
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you and your
> >>>>>>>> fellow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity โค? nothing else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to
> pass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> called H-2A visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fuck.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
> >>>>>>>>>>> harvest crops.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
> >>>>>>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
> >>>>>>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
> >>>>>>>>>> harvesting?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
> >>>>>>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
> >>>>>>>> MAy 1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
> >>>>>>>> the finances of Social Security," said
> >>>>>>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
> >>>>>>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
> >>>>>>>> proposal to address Social Security's
> >>>>>>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
> >>>>>>>> employment and family-based visas.
> >>>>>>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
> >>>>>>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
> >>>>>>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
> >>>>>>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
> >>>>>>>> throughout their lifetime."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
> >>>>>>>> workers without employment authorization
> >>>>>>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
> >>>>>>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
> >>>>>>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
> >>>>>>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
> >>>>>>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
> >>>>>>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
> >>>>>>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
> >>>>>>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
> >>>>>>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
> >>>>>>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
> >>>>>>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
> >>>>>>>> (The report takes into account both
> >>>>>>>> employer and employee contributions
> >>>>>>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "The federal government is essentially
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