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From: MeanDog@stonewall.Dash
On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 02:47:48 +0000, Mitchell Holman
wrote:
>Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
>news:0154ik988ld1evj7oeor83k7fncspek16u@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 19:29:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
>>>news:5tk3ikpdogm29poppmj419joamih2anmkn@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 15:01:42 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote in
>>>>>news:hsp2ik1se940tp1dvsfet44digc8468bdq@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 23:31:04 -0700, Gronk
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obsessed — with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smokescreen for your racism. You don't really care
>>>about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration status per se. What you care about is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their race/ethnicity. If there were 10 million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians,
>>>Danes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irish, Dutch — unlawfully present in the country,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't say a thing. We know this about you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue for you and your
>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow farm workers in during the season. Congress has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet to
>>>pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called H-2A visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to harvest crops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>>>>>>>>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>>>>>>>>>> MAy 1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>>>>>>>>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>>>>>>>>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>>>>>>>>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>>>>>>>>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>>>>>>>>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>>>>>>>>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>>>>>>>>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>>>>>>>>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>>>>>>>>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>>>>>>>>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>>>>>>>>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>> workers without employment authorization
>>>>>>>>>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>>>>>>>>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>>>>>>>>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>>>>>>>>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>>>>>>>>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>>>>>>>>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
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