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From: invalide@invalid.invalid
Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 23:31:04 -0700, Gronk
>> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:31:58 -0700, Gronk
>>>> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you think
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually, obsessed
—
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or smokescreen for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your racism. You don't really care about immigration status per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. What you care about is their race/ethnicity. If there were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 million
>>>>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes,
Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch — unlawfully present in the country, you wouldn't
say a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. We know this about you. The issue for you and your
>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to pass
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's called H-2A
>>>>>>>>>> visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant fuck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>>>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>>>>> MAy 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>>>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>>>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>>>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>>>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>>>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>>>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>>>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>>>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>>>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>>>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>>>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>>>>> workers without employment authorization
>>>>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>>>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>>>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>>>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>>>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>>>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>>>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>>>>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>>>>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>>>>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>>>>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>>>>>> (The report takes into account both
>>>>>> employer and employee contributions
>>>>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The federal government is essentially
>>>>>> receiving free money from these
>>>>>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>>>>>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
>>>>>> "They are contributing to a system they
>>>>>> will not benefit from. Who is benefiting?
>>>>>> It's American citizens."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, the surge of immigrants
>>>>>> in recent years is expected to boost
>>>>>> Social Security's revenues by $348
>>>>>> billion between 2024 and 2034,
>>>>>> according to a Congressional Budget
>>>>>> Office analysis released last year.
>>>>>> Over the same period, these folks
>>>>>> will collect only about $1 billion,
>>>>>> the CBO projected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/undocumented-immigrants-
>>>>>> social-security
>>>>>
>>>>> CNN??? Really?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Unless you have other figures to post?
>>>
>>> Knowing that I cannot depend on CNN offering honest and accurate
>>> information does not require anything beyond an understanding of what
>>> CNN is.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I've no issue with you believing whatever you need
>>> to believe about CNN and what they tell you.
>>
>> Still can't post any figures, eh?
>>
>> Maybe this will help you:
>>
>> https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>
> From a group that openly admits their bias......
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