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   60 Minutes investigates the death of Jef   
   06 Jan 20 04:33:44   
   
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   gonna override that decision and we're going to leave Epstein on suicide   
   watch." Especially subsequent to the suicide attempt that he had.   
      
   Epstein was moved back to the SHU and assigned a new cellmate.   
      
   We reviewed photos, and interviewed jail employees, to create this composite   
   of the area. Each tier of the SHU has eight cells, usually with two inmates   
   per cell. Epstein's cell, 220, was about 15 feet away and up a set of stairs   
   from the guards' station, with a single locked gate between them. The gate is   
   the only way in or out of the tier.   
      
   Lawyers say the day before Epstein was found dead he was upbeat and looking   
   forward to an appeal hearing on his bail. That same day, his cellmate was   
   released and "no new cellmate was assigned." Even though he was required to   
   have one.   
      
   Michael Thomas and Tova Noel are the two guards who were working the   
   overnight shift on the SHU. Court documents say, "Epstein was escorted into   
   his cell by Tova Noel at approximately 7:49 p.m." Then, the guards didn't   
   check in on him again until "shortly after 6:30 a.m." the next morning.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: So in the SHU they should be checked in on every 30 minutes?   
      
   Cameron Lindsay: They should be checked on every 30 minutes. It's my   
   understanding based on the documents that I examined, the two officers that   
   were working in the Special Housing Unit allegedly falsified the records and   
   did not do any rounds for approximately eight hours.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: How big of a deal is that?   
      
   Cameron Lindsay: That's a huge, huge deal. This is one of the most basic   
   operational aspects of managing a jail or prison.   
      
   Instead, federal prosecutors say surveillance video "makes clear" the guards   
   "search the internet" and "appeared to have been asleep." Both guards were   
   working overtime.   
      
   Tyrone Covington: When your being forced to stay over shifts, not go home and   
   see your family you start to see people take short cuts.   
      
   Tyrone Covington is the president of the union that represents the guards who   
   both now face criminal charges and have pleaded not guilty.   
      
   Tyrone Covington: I absolutely believe that these staff members are being   
   made a scapegoat.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: Because it was Jeffrey Epstein?   
      
   Tyrone Covington: Because it was Jeffrey Epstein.   
      
   Covington doesn't think there was any foul play and he says there should be   
   surveillance video to prove it.   
      
   In November, Attorney General William Barr told reporters he personally   
   reviewed surveillance video that showed nobody entered the area where Epstein   
   was held.   
      
   But sources say a second camera inside the tier, the one that could have seen   
   Epstein's cell door and the doors of other inmates, was not working that   
   night.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: The theories that are out there, one of them is that it was   
   another inmate who may have killed Jeffrey Epstein.   
      
   Bruce Barket: Come on!   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: You don't believe that?   
      
   Bruce Barket: He was found hanging in his cell. He had tried to commit   
   suicide before that. He was a very wealthy man who was looking at a lifetime   
   in prison. You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: So Epstein's taken off suicide watch, the day before he kills   
   himself, his roommate is— removed from the cell. The cameras on his tier are   
   not working. The guards fell asleep. It seems almost impossible to think all   
   of those things could happen in that way.   
      
   Cameron Lindsay: It does. And that's what makes this so shocking. And I mean,   
   this is a failure on multiple levels.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: Do you think there's any way that Jeffrey Epstein could have   
   been murdered?   
      
   Cameron Lindsay: Absolutely, unequivocally not.   
      
   There was a note in Jeffrey Epstein's cell. He wrote that one guard kept me   
   in a locked shower stall for one hour. Noel (the guard) sent me burnt food.   
   Giant bugs crawling over my hands. No fun.   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden says if anyone thought Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal, they   
   wouldn't have let him have a ballpoint pen that could be used to harm himself   
   or someone else.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: The other thing we just noticed looking at the photos. It   
   appears he had some kind of sleep apnea machine. You can see a long   
   electrical cord.   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: Yes. There were other wires and cords present that it   
   would've been easy to use to hang oneself within a few minutes.   
      
   But the key reason Dr. Baden thinks Jeffrey Epstein's death might be a   
   homicide is because of the unusual fractures he saw in Epstein's neck.   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: There were fractures of the left, the right, thyroid   
   cartilage and the left hyoid bone.   
      
   This is an autopsy photo of Epstein's broken hyoid bone, a U-shaped bone that   
   sits under the jaw that part of the tongue attaches to. The thyroid cartilage   
   sits at the front of the neck.   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: I have never seen three fractures like this in a suicidal   
   hanging. Sometimes there's a fracture of the hyoid bone or a fracture of the   
   thyroid cartilage.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: But not three?   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: Very unusual to have two and not three. And going over—   
   over a thousand jail hangings, suicides in the New York City state prisons   
   over the past 40-50 years, no one had three fractures.   
      
   The New York City Medical Examiner's office disputes Baden's theory, saying   
   that fractures of the hyoid bone and cartilage can be seen in suicides and   
   homicides and they stand "firmly" behind their finding of suicide by hanging.   
      
   Then, there's the two nooses. This was the one that was sketched and included   
   in the autopsy by the medical examiner, presumably, because they thought it   
   was used in Epstein's death.   
      
   But Dr. Baden says that noose, and the wounds on Jeffrey Epstein's neck,   
   don't appear to match.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: What do you see when you see these two things together?   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: What I see here is that this noose doesn't match the   
   ligature furrow mark. It's wider than this.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: To the naked eye, it looks like there's some blood here. And   
   it doesn't look like there's any blood on this noose.   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: That's right. This looks like a clean noose that was never   
   used to compress anybody's neck.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: There's also something that's striking about the photos. It—   
   the wound is down here. You'd think if somebody hung themselves the wound   
   would be maybe up here.   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: Yes. Most hangings— especially free hangings the ligature   
   slides up to beneath the— the jawbone, the mandible. Here it's in the middle   
   of the neck.   
      
   Dr. Baden says a wound straight across the neck is more common when a victim   
   is strangled by a wire or cord.   
      
   He and Epstein's brother, Mark, met with the government and asked to see any   
   forensic testing and any video. But they say they were told the ongoing   
   criminal case against the two guards prevents the justice department from   
   releasing any information.   
      
   Sharyn Alfonsi: So the criminal charges are now basically a firewall for the   
   family to get any information about—   
      
   Dr. Michael Baden: From the Justice Department.   
      
   The charges have also silenced the guards. The attorney for guard Michael   
   Thomas says five months after Epstein's death, Thomas has still not spoken to   
   investigators or revealed how he, alone, found Epstein's body.   
      
   Disappointed that they never got to face Epstein in court, many victims are   
   now angry that the investigation into his death has left so many questions   
   still unanswered.   
      
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