XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, soc.culture   
   From: pothead@snakebite.com   
      
   On 2024-06-14, 26xh.0717 <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> wrote:   
   > On 6/14/24 7:09 AM, pothead wrote:   
   >> On 2024-06-14, 26xh.0717 <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> wrote:   
   >>> On 6/13/24 7:36 PM, pothead wrote:   
   >>>> On 2024-06-13, 26xh.0717 <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> wrote:   
   >>>>> On 6/13/24 3:47 PM, D wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2024, J Carlson wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 9:17 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 10:12, "Lucas McCain," "Hisler," "DFENS," "Jade Helm,"   
   >>>>>>>> "Duke Mantee," "Jim Crow," "Steve from Colorado", a drunk fucking   
   >>>>>>>> child molester and subhuman Nazi filth, vomited:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> [snip subhuman Nazi filth lies]   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Regarding Ukraine, if we fund the current government, we are funding   
   >>>>>>>> corrupt men and women   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That is a lie.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There is no doubt that Ukraine is more corrupt than the average western   
   >>>>>> european country. There have been numerous _mainstream media_ reports   
   >>>>>> about that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The question however, is not the funding of a corrupt country (all   
   >>>>>> countries are more or less corrupt), the question is winning the war   
   >>>>>> against Putin, and make sure he ends up in prison or dead.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      Correct. Many of our "friends" suffer from corruption   
   >>>>>      but the Larger Goal negates that aspect.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      Indeed to expect every country to be Just Like The USA before   
   >>>>>      we lend them a dime is just ludicrous. Xi and Putin would be   
   >>>>>      happy to lend them money/expertise, and would not be so picky.   
   >>>>>      So guess where the balance of power goes ?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      One of the reasons the USA invaded Iraq was because Moscow   
   >>>>>      was out-bidding us, bringing Saddam Hussein into its orbit.   
   >>>>>      Too much land, too much oil, too much of a bunch of things   
   >>>>>      to let that happen. Iran + Iraq in Putin's grasp ... !   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> The second objective is to cut up russia, make the industrial part join   
   >>>>>> the west, and let the rest fall into durka-durka-stan territory without   
   >>>>>> the nukes of course.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      I don't think that can be realized - and they WOULD bring   
   >>>>>      a bunch of nukes to 'Durka Durka' ...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ukraine is a new level of low in corruption.   
   >>>   
   >>>     Um ... no ... check out some of our other "friends"   
   >>>     over the years  :-)   
   >>>   
   >>>     Oh, and our OWN pol/biz people ... you don't really   
   >>>     think they pay $30,000 for a hammer, do you ?   
   >>>   
   >>>> The country has been corrupt long before the Russian invasion.   
   >>>> This will go down as one of the biggest boondoggles of all time.   
   >>>   
   >>>     As said, it DOESN'T MATTER if gov/mil take some coin   
   >>>     for themselves, the Big Picture of thwarting Putin is   
   >>>     the over-riding important goal. It will shape the world   
   >>>     for the next 50+ years (assuming there's a world left).   
   >>>   
   >>>     So, let's not "high principle" ourselves out of "friends".   
   >>   
   >> Oh, I don't disagree at all. Like I've said before, follow the money.   
   >> It's almost always about the money and when it's not, then it's about power   
   and control.   
   >   
   >   
   >    Well, we're one of those "hierarchical" species ...   
   >    a 'pecking order' ... WAY on down the family tree.   
   >    It's how we're wired. You can see competition even   
   >    amongst babies. Head-bashing used to be the thing,   
   >    but once money-like things were invented ......   
      
   Very true.   
   Mankind always seems to develop a new method to demonstrate superiority.   
   As you say, we are wired for it.   
      
   >    This CAN get out of hand, of course. Then there's   
   >    flames and booms. Our booms got a LOT bigger over   
   >    the past couple of centuries.   
      
   LOl !   
   Yep.   
      
   >    In any case, we can't always choose our "friends" in   
   >    this nasty world. We can many avoid a few of THE   
   >    most evil, but there are a lot kinda in the grey   
   >    area. Better to have them on OUR side - and if   
   >    that means the sheik buys himself a new Bentley   
   >    then, well, whatever, price of doing business ....   
   >   
   >    That's the No-BS, the realpolitik.   
      
   Absolutely.   
   The system breeds corruption.   
      
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