From: chasseur@zid.com   
      
   Le 2024-07-25 à 11:55, pyotr filipivich a écrit :   
   > Chasseur  on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:09:36 -0400 typed   
   > in alt.survival  the following:   
   >> If the Palestinians had a state of their own with aknowledged borders,   
   >   
   > 	They effectively have had one.  The Government was dedicated to   
   > destroying their neighbors.   
   >   
   >> they and their neighbors would in all probability have to «behave».   
   >   
   > 	Just as the Government of Gaza has demonstrated.   
   >   
   >> With time, the Palestinians would   
   >> enjoy a better standard of living and, presumably, value and work at   
   >> preserving that newly experienced better standard of living.   
   >   
   > 	All Western "crusader" values, and not those of followers of The   
   > True Faith.   
   >   
   >> Palestinians would also have to support the fight against terrorism,   
   >   
   > 	Oh, they have.  It's just that they believe the true Terrorists   
   > are the West in general, and Israel in particular.   
   >   
   >> both inside and outside their secure borders. Militant Islam and its   
   >> imams and ayatollahs could be reigned in just as we reigned in militant   
   >> Christianity. Am I dreaming......   
   >   
   > 	Fantasizing is more the proper word.   
   >   
   > 	War against those who refuse to convert is part and parcel of   
   > Islam. "It's in the book."   
   >   
   > 	People will yammer on about a "reformation" of Islam, but never   
   > seem to consider that perhaps the "reforming" has already occurred,   
   > and the "radicals" won.   
   > 	   
   >   
   >   
   >> maybe I am, but understand this,   
   >> nothing has worked so far, so it is time to start thinking outside the   
   >> proverbial box. Not to do so will inevitably bring bad times maybe very   
   >> very bad times. It is time to force Israel's hand to negociate the   
   >> 2-state solution and set a short term deadline for results.   
      
   Are you done with your propaganda?   
   Islamic countries are not monolithic but they can become so.   
   The more «advanced» muslim countries appreciate the advantages of being   
   in good terms with their neighbors and the West in general. Good   
   examples are Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Brunei, etc. They, among other   
   advantages, appreciate tourism, western investments of many kinds, the   
   stability brought by employment and better international financial   
   solvency and a more comfortable standard of living for their general   
   population and the accompanying internal political stability.   
   War, whether it be prolonged low key or all out conflict, brings   
   poverty, misery, fear, desire for revenge and internal instability for   
   all parties involved.   
   It will not be easy but it is time to start thinking out of the   
   proverbial box, or the present situation will never end (do you   
   understand «never end»?) and may drag us the West) into unforeseen   
   potentially very dark horizons. Experts like you in the identification   
   of religious fanaticism surely understand that. By far presently, there   
   are tree major obstacles to the improvement of the present situation,   
   Hamas, the present Netanyahu Israeli government and the unfortunate   
   reluctance of the US government to assume leadership and to do the   
   necessary arm twisting.   
   In fact, unfortunately, it may very well be to late for success within   
   the lifespan of a generation.   
      
   Chasseur   
      
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