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   From: esp@snet.n   
      
   On 1/22/2025 6:16 PM, T wrote:   
   > On 1/21/25 2:41 PM, Snag wrote:   
   >> The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part: All persons   
   >> born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the   
   >> jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State   
   >> wherein they reside."   
   >>   
   >> Babies born to illegal alien mothers within U.S. borders are called   
   >> anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an   
   >> anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of   
   >> other relatives into permanent U.S. residency. (Jackpot babies is   
   >> another term).   
   >>   
   >> Post-Civil War reforms focused on injustices to African Americans. The   
   >> 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-   
   >> born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed   
   >> slaves. It was written in a manner so as to prevent state governments   
   >> from ever denying citizenship to blacks born in the United States. But   
   >> in 1868, the United States had no formal immigration policy, and the   
   >> authors therefore saw no need to address immigration explicitly in the   
   >> amendment.   
   >>   
   >> Senator Jacob Howard worked closely with Abraham Lincoln in drafting   
   >> and passing the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States   
   >> Constitution, which abolished slavery. He also served on the Senate   
   >> Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the Fourteenth   
   >> Amendment to the United States Constitution. In 1866, Senator Jacob   
   >> Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by writing:   
   >>   
   >> Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject   
   >> to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a   
   >> citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include   
   >> persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who   
   >> belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited   
   >> to the Government of the United States, but will include every other   
   >> class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and   
   >> removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the   
   >> United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the   
   >> jurisprudence and legislation of this country."   
   >>   
   >> The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to   
   >> exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose   
   >> allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens   
   >> who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a   
   >> claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their   
   >> allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes   
   >> automatic citizenship.   
   >>   
   >> The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal   
   >> alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as   
   >> is her baby.   
   >>   
   >> Over a century ago, the Supreme Court correctly confirmed this   
   >> restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called 'Slaughter-   
   >> House cases' [83 US 36 (1873)] and in [112 US 94 (1884)]. In Elk   
   >> v.Wilkins, the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' excluded from its   
   >> operation 'children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign   
   >> states born within the United States.' In Elk, the American Indian   
   >> claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law   
   >> required him to be 'not merely subject in some respect or degree to   
   >> the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their   
   >> political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.'   
   >>   
   >> Congress subsequently passed a special act to grant full citizenship   
   >> to American Indians, who were not citizens even through they were born   
   >> within the borders of the United States. The Citizens Act of 1924,   
   >> codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that:   
   >>   
   >> The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at   
   >> birth:   
   >> (a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction   
   >> thereof;   
   >> (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian,   
   >> Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.   
   >>   
   >> The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to   
   >> facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law and obtaining citizenship   
   >> for their offspring, nor obtaining benefits at taxpayer expense.   
   >> Current estimates indicate there may be over 300,000 anchor babies   
   >> born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add   
   >> more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all   
   >> sources in an average year before 1965.   
   >>   
   >> On the issue of anchor babies, they will not be stateless as claimed   
   >> in the suit. They are already citizens of whatever nation their   
   >> parents are citizens of.   
   >>   
   >> Will they be deportable as claimed in the suit? Yes, if they have not   
   >> secured citizenship or permanent residency.   
   >>   
   >> Will they lose access to welfare and free healthcare that is tied to   
   >> citizenship? Yes in most cases.   
   >>   
   >> Has the United States recognized anchor babies as citizens of the USA   
   >> for 150 years?   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   > And I might add, there is precedent for what Trump   
   > is doing.   
   >   
   > NOT ONE SINGLE FOREIGN DIPLOMAT WHO HAS HAD THEIR   
   > CHILD BORN IN AMERICA HAS BEEN GRANTED CITIZENSHIP.   
   >   
   >   
      
   Correct, but they can get lawful permanent residency.  Different   
   situation.   
      
   https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-7-part-o-chapter-3   
      
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