XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   From: df@tutanato.com   
      
   On 11/25/2025 8:41 PM, c186282 wrote:   
   > On 11/25/25 11:50, Doctor Fill wrote:   
   >> On 11/24/2025 8:23 PM, c186282 wrote:   
   >>> On 11/24/25 11:26, Doctor Fill wrote:   
   >>>> On 11/23/2025 11:11 PM, c186282 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 11/23/25 23:50, Doctor Fill wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 11/23/2025 9:29 PM, c186282 wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 11/23/25 22:27, Doctor Fill wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 11/22/2025 12:13 AM, c186282 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> More outsourcing IS a problem but the new nasty   
   >>>>>>>>>    is "AI". That is going to exterminate massive   
   >>>>>>>>>    numbers of 'people jobs' over the next decade.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>    Why suffer/work/pay for a university ed if AI is   
   >>>>>>>>>    just going to obsolete the career you planned ?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It might be that "AI" (in the U.S. at least) is just the go to   
   >>>>>>>> patsy to blame for job replacement so as to deflect blame from   
   >>>>>>>> Indian H 1B "white collar" workers who are more likely to be   
   >>>>>>>> replacing "American" white collar workers in the tech industry   
   >>>>>>>> and / or taking jobs that used to go to "American" graduates in   
   >>>>>>>> the STEM fields.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    Umm ... might agree EXCEPT for the absolutely vast, insane,   
   >>>>>>>    investment in 'AI'. They really, BADLY, want it to replace   
   >>>>>>>    most people jobs.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    Would have been a LOT cheaper to just lobby the pols and   
   >>>>>>>    'fix' the H-1B issue.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> As for South Korea, it is probably losing millions of jobs as   
   >>>>>>>> China puts Koreans out of work in industry and in STEM fields.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    China is an almost unstoppable force. If not by   
   >>>>>>>    quality then by quantity/price it WILL strive to   
   >>>>>>>    push out all others. In short they've become fairly   
   >>>>>>>    good capitalists  :-)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> If, in fact, AI is putting millions of people out of work,   
   >>>>>>>> perhaps a modern day Luddite movement will arise and use   
   >>>>>>>> guerrilla tactics to destroy the huge "data centers" that use   
   >>>>>>>> exorbitant amounts of electricity and water to create the global   
   >>>>>>>> gulag where "you will own nothing and be (un)happy."   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    Do you think mobs are going to attack and burn   
   >>>>>>>    data centers across the planet ?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Was I not clear in my statement to that effect?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>    For legal reasons you shouldn't strive to be 'clear'   
   >>>>>    in such endeavors ...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Only if one were advocating for such a thing to happen, or actually   
   >>>> plotting to do it.  Simply entertaining the thought that history   
   >>>> might repeat as per when the Luddites attempted to stop the   
   >>>> industrial revolution from progressing is not, in and of itself, a   
   >>>> violation of the law in my country.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    The Luddites/Saboteurs weren't wrong, just premature  :-)   
   >>   
   >> As was the Unabomber.  Even Bill Joy, the Chief Science Officer at Sun   
   >> Microsystems found himself agreeing with Ted Kazynski's manifesto.   
   >> Perhaps, off the record, the members of the WEF agree with the   
   >> Unabomber on some level too.   
   >   
   >    Um ... not going to go along with Crazy Ted too far ....   
   >   
   >    Besides, he totally underestimated the scope of the   
   >    issue. Blast one CEO and there are a dozen others   
   >    to take his place. Blast one scientist and there   
   >    are a dozen others to take his place. The sci/tech   
   >    he worried about was not the product of a few, but   
   >    vast global tech-biz empires that draw talent and   
   >    money from across the globe. Not physically killable.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   Bill Joy didn't agree with the Unabomber's methods and/or killing and   
   maiming people with his home made mail bombs, but he found Kazynkski's   
   idea that we would have to go back to the Stone Age to save the planet   
   compelling.   
      
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