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"One Bit Shy" wrote in message
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"anim8rFSK" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> BTR1701 wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> anim8rFSK wrote:
>>
>> > In article <1g6gr9tm0pkgi6suvrbu6t0aa79j8edlu6@4ax.com>,
>> > shawn wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 09:50:15 -0400, Ubiquitous
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >In article <6itfr9lokikdf650gqkb51u1bgcmfqohkv@4ax.com>,
>> > > >me@privacy.net
>> > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>Buffy was on The Warner Brother's network when it started then
>> > > >>moved to
>> > > >>UPN
>> > > >>late. Firefly was on FOX. In general, a much larger audience is
>> > > >>required
>> > > >>to keep a show on one of the large networks. Buffy likely
>> > > >>wouldn't
>> > > >>have
>> > > >>survived on FOX either if it had drawn the same audience numbers.
>> > > >
>> > > >If memory serves, Buffy was part of their core programming.
>> > > >
>> > > >>I watched Firefly when it aired and was a big fan but it took me
>> > > >>and
>> > > >>most
>> > > >>people a few episodes to warm up to it because FOX aired the
>> > > >>episodes
>> > > >>out
>> > > >>of
>> > > >>the intended order. They started with The Train Job instead of
>> > > >>Serenity
>> > > >>which did a much better job of introducing the characters. Plus it
>> > > >>was
>> > > >>pre-empted a few times for the baseball playoffs that year if I
>> > > >>recall
>> > > >>correctly. It was never given much of a chance.
>> > > >
>> > > >I enjoyed Firefly but that was the extent of it for me.
>> > >
>> > > I thought Firefly was great and might have drawn an audience if it
>> > > had
>> > > been given another year to build that audience, but I can understand
>> > > why Fox didn't do that.
>> > >
>> > > >>By the way, if you liked the first 5 episodes of Buffy, it gets
>> > > >>even
>> > > >>better.
>> > > >>It was a great show till the end of season 3 when many thought it
>> > > >>started
>> > > >>going downhill. Mostly because the show started out as a metaphor
>> > > >>for
>> > > >>High
>> > > >>school. Once they graduated they lost something. Even the later
>> > > >>seasons
>> > > >>probably play much better when you can binge watch at your own pace
>> > > >>and
>> > > >>some
>> > > >>of the best episodes of the whole series were after season 3.
>> > > >
>> > > >I think the show-is-ametaphore-for-highschool theory is rather
>> > > >dubious,
>> > > >IMHO.
>> > > >I am guessing these are the same people who swear there's some sort
>> > > >of
>> > > >lesbian
>> > > >subcontext to Xena.
>> > > >
>> > > >I thought the show peaked with the Dark Willow story and was
>> > > >defintiely
>> > > >running
>> > > >on fumes the final season.
>> > >
>> > > I felt like it lost something as Joss moved on to working on Angel
>> > > most of the time and leaving Marti Noxon in charge. Marti loves her
>> > > dramas but she doesn't have the Joss touch.
>> >
>> > Actually I think Joss was more distracted by trying to get Firefly
>> > going
>> > than he was involved in Angel.
>> >
>> > And, yeah, Noxon destroyed Buffy; the demarcation line is when she
>> > ruined DRACULA, and things never recovered.
>>
>> Yeah, I remember being rather hyped to see how Dracula was going to be
>> incorporated into the BUFFY mythos, and after the episode was over, I
>> recall thinking that it was the first time I actively disliked an
>> episode of the show.
>
> That's a Marti ep, and it's got all kinds of weird crap in it, like the
> rainstorm that heralds Dawn, and Dracula's castle just appearing in
> town? What the heck? Was it there the next week?
Personally I rather like the Dracula episode. As I recall, all the polls
I've seen indicate that it is well above average in popularity among Buffy
fans. But that's OK. No episode can suit everybody. Fortunately there are
143 to choose from.
Speaking to the content, I would note that the notion of the storm heralding
Dawn is open to debate, but it certainly does herald Dracula. That's
straight from Stroker's Dracula. As are many other elements such as
Xander's bug eating and the succubi attacking Giles. A good amount of
thought went into linking this episode to the source, while keeping it a
Buffy episode as well.
On the other hand, the previously unknown castle probably does herald Dawn
by demonstrating that reality had changed. The appearance of Dawn at the
end is certainly a surprise change in reality. (And one of my favorite
moments in the series. Instantly sisters with their simultaneous whining
plea to Mom.)
More broadly speaking, Dracula serves the same function all Buffy season
opening episodes do by offering hints of what's in store this season (and
maybe beyond). Xander's maturation. Willow's growing power and
recklessness. Buffy's search to understand what she is, with even a hint of
more demonic connection than previously imagined. And the big season themes
of blood and death (and even rebirth). From the big picture point of view
it's hardly a throw-away episode, yet still (IMO) plenty entertaining at the
story of the day level.
>OBS
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I would have liked to have seen Anya (jealous Xander), and Spike,
interact with Dracula. See who really IS the baddest.
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