From: liam@valentijn.nu   
      
   Op 2-8-2018 om 23:32 schreef Madlove:   
   > Madlove  wrote:   
   >> 2. vamp becomes a human: girl is cloned from a vamp (which is a   
   >> separate being) so should not have it's memories.   
   >   
   >   
   > On 07/31/2018 03:18 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:   
   >> How do you figure that was /cloning/?   
   >   
   > You're probably correct. I *thot* she was brought back via science but a   
   > spell makes much more sense. Especially since she still had syphilis   
   > injuries!   
      
   It looked like they took the magic way, not a scientific one.   
      
   >   
   >> I figure actual Darla was brought back from being a dusted vampire into   
   >> her original human form, even including that syphilis she suffered from   
   >> before the Master sired her the first time..   
   >>   
   >> And that vampire Darla already had all those memories and personality   
   >> etc. Why would she have lost all that from being dead?   
   >> When Buffy was brought back, she still had all her memories also.   
   >   
   > If she was returned via a spell then shouldn't her memories end (and   
   > begin again) at the moment she was turned into a vamp? IE, she dies and   
   > the vamp takes over the body.   
   >   
   > She's brought back and she continues from right before she died.   
   >   
   > Your thoughts on this??? :-D   
      
      
   Uhm... those memories are part of that /body/. Human gets vamped, but   
   that body stays mostly intact and /continues/ accumulating memories.   
   In Darla's case that body, that kept on accumulating memories, was   
   dusted and that body, albeit in human non-vampiric mode, was brought   
   back, including all those memories from the vampire time.   
   I think that when someone is vamped, the soul (the conscience) is gone   
   and the demon takes place of /the soul/, but it thinks and feels like   
   there is a continuity from the mere human days. The demon part has no   
   personality or memories of its own and thinks and beliefs it's the   
   original human, but turned into a vampire.   
      
   Now, what really is interesting, in the case of Angel and Spike, who   
   retained vampire form when they got a soul back, and in the case of   
   Darla, who as a human got a soul back, is that they indeed got /their   
   own souls/ back, and not some random soul/conscience.   
   In each case you never hear that the /returned/ soul had their own   
   separate set of memories from the time they were apart from that   
   original body! Either the soul does not contain its own memories, or   
   those memories are erased. I think the first is the case!   
      
   When Buffy was brought back, I think it was a case of her entire   
   mind/spirit being brought back to her restored body and her spirit did   
   retain the memories of the afterlife, heaven in her case, where it   
   remained after her death at the end of season 5.   
      
      
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