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   Wouter Valentijn to All   
   Re: 8 Buffy the Vampire Slayer plot hole   
   09 Aug 18 19:57:39   
   
   From: liam@valentijn.nu   
      
   Op 9-8-2018 om 01:18 schreef David:   
   > http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/feature/a863237/buffy-plot-h   
   les-vampire-slayer/   
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   > BY DAISY PHILLIPSON   
   >   
   > It was only a matter of time before Joss Whedon's Buffy the Vampire   
   > Slayer was given the Hollywood reboot treatment. After all, while it   
   > might feel like it was only yesterday that Sarah Michelle Gellar's   
   > titular slayer punched, kicked, and staked her way through Sunnydale's   
   > demonic inhabitants, it's been a solid 22 years since the Hellmouth   
   > first opened its fiery gates.   
   >   
   > Ever since Fox announced its partnership with Whedon to bring the   
   > beloved show back from the dead, the passionate fandom has been in a   
   > predictable tizzy. Some are stoked Buffy and the Scooby Gang are getting   
   > a "richly diverse" modern era update. Some think it's nothing more than   
   > a cash grab set to destroy the vampiric franchise and everything it   
   > represents. Some just can't wait to see who replaces James Marsters as   
   > Spike (will the bottle-blonde look stick?).   
   >   
   > Whatever your take on the matter, the revival at least serves a good   
   > opportunity for Whedon and co to revisit the plot holes and mysteries   
   > that were left open-ended by the original series. The Scoobies were   
   > thorough, but not thorough enough to leave a bunch of blood-drenched   
   > stones unturned.   
   >   
   > With the Buffy reboot officially on the cards, here are the major   
   > mysteries we want closure on when the new episodes roll around.   
   >   
   >   
   > 1. Out of sight, out of mind   
   >   
   > Remember Marcie? Clea DuVall's Sunnydale High Student who became   
   > invisible and proceeded to take out all of her teen angst bitterness on   
   > clique queen Cordelia? If that's a yes, you'll also remember that the   
   > moment Buffy finally managed to capture her (with a well-positioned   
   > stage curtain), a couple of FBI agents came and whisked her off to a   
   > government training agency to learn about "Assassination and   
   > Infiltration" and all that jazz.   
   >   
   > Despite the fact that this federal operative story seemed like it was   
   > going somewhere and the huge potential it posed for future narratives,   
   > it was dropped and never spoken about again. Ironically, the title of   
   > the episode is 'Out of Sight, Out of Mind', presumably because that's   
   > exactly what the Buffy writing team did with this totally open-ended   
   > episode.   
      
   During season 7 it did happen to another kid.   
      
   And something like that happened to Xander in season 4.   
      
   I never had the feeling it was supposed to go somewhere since that   
   original episode had closure. The girl did find a place to live.   
      
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   > 2. Giles, you creep!   
   >   
   > Did anyone else not find it completely inappropriate for Giles (Anthony   
   > Head), the school librarian, to be hanging about with a bunch of   
   > teenagers? Yes, he had adult love interests, and yes, he only wanted   
   > what was best for Buffy. But we're still surprised that during those   
   > many years as the Watcher, he wasn't called in to stand before the   
   > Teacher's Council for his highly questionable extra-curricular activities.   
   >   
   > It'll be interesting to see how his character is handled in the reboot –   
   > because in the post-MeToo era we're currently living in, that just won't   
   > fly. Fictional or not.   
      
      
   Why the teachers council? He's the school librarian.   
   When were teachers around to even notice something weird?   
      
      
      
      
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   >   
   > 3. One place fits all   
   >   
   > "Into every generation a slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a   
   > chosen one." Cool concept, we'll give it that. But what about the rest   
   > of the world? We get that Sunnydale is built on top of a Hellmouth and   
   > the Hellmouth is the source of all that is evil in the world – but as   
   > the series shows, Sunnydale isn't the only town hit by the supernatural.   
   >   
   > Perhaps the reboot might see Buffy venture outside of her suburban   
   > trappings to offer up her services on a pro bono basis. Couldn't hurt,   
   > right?   
      
   We did see somthing like that type of Buffy in the Wishverse.   
      
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   >   
   > 4. Take our breath away   
   >   
   > This is a plot hole that has been plaguing Buffy fans since the birth of   
   > the Master – can those damn vampires breathe or not? In the season one   
   > finale when the biggest of the Big Bads left Buffy knocking on death's   
   > door, Xander (Nicholas Brendon) and Angel (David Boreanaz) came to her   
   > rescue. It's at this point Angel revealed he couldn't give Buffy   
   > mouth-to-mouth because vamps can't breathe.   
   >   
   > That we can deal with. But what we can't deal with is he was quite   
   > literally out of breath as he told Xander this. It also doesn't explain   
   > how or why Spike spent 50% of his screen time sucking on a cig. Eh?   
   >   
   > Side rant: Remember the scene in which Spike strangled his blood-sucking   
   > girlfriend Drusilla? Or when Spike was waterboarded by a Toruk-Han? Now   
   > try and argue vamps can't breathe, Angel, you dum-dum.   
   >   
   >         [My take is that vamps don't need to breathe to stay   
   > functioning, but they need air moving over their vocal cords to talk.   
   > Spike liked the 'bad boy' image of a rebel smoker (and he might have had   
   > a slight nicotine addiction).   About him choking Dru until she passed   
   > out, or him being tortured by waterboard, or why Angel couldn't give   
   > Buffy mouth to mouth (his breath would have more oxygen that Xander's   
   > since Xander was exhaling CO2 as well as O2] - no idea how to explain   
   > those.]   
      
   Yes, that's very much a plothole.   
      
      
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   > 5. Red pill, blue pill   
   >   
   > Ah yes, one of the most debated theories of the Buffyverse – was Summers   
   > an ass-kicking demon slayer, or was she actually just suffering from a   
   > severe case of psychosis, as outlined in season 6 episode 17?   
   >   
   > While the conclusion goes that it was in fact an illusion within an   
   > illusion and Buffy was given an antidote to bring her back to reality,   
   > there are some who contend that it was a bit of a red pill, blue pill   
   > situation and Buffy chose to go with the fake reality. Or, as is   
   > likelier, the writers chose a smart moment for Joyce (Kristine   
   > Sutherland) to give her daughter a little pep talk from beyond the grave.   
   >   
   > It remains a bit of a mystery, and even Whedon himself said the ending's   
   > open to interpretation. Whatever your take on the episode, it would make   
   > for an interesting trope for the reboot to revisit.   
   >   
   > For the fans, a mind-bending journey that delved deeper into Buffy's   
   > psyche would certainly not go amiss and perhaps it might finally resolve   
   > the whole "Is she, isn't she batshit insane?" dilemma.   
      
      
   I think it was purely Buffy herself. Not Joyce from the grave.   
      
      
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   > 6. The Guardians of the Watchers   
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