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|    5 times Joyce was a good mother, and 5 t    |
|    26 Mar 20 17:25:01    |
      From: daviderl31@yahoo.com              https://screenrant.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-joyce-best-worst       mom-comparison/              Joyce wasn't exactly a perfect mother in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but she's       had her fair share of shining moments              BY AMELIA BRANTLEY       MAR 25, 2020              Joyce Summers on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, seems to be one of the most       controversial parents in all of television. While she is praised for some of       her parenting, she’s also criticized for being too lenient with a daughter       who is clearly showing signs of mental illness. Not only does Joyce not know       that Buffy is the vampire slayer, she doesn’t even know that vampires and       other things that go bump-in-the-night are real!              So when Buffy acts out and does things like burn down her school gym, it       seems as though Joyce is ignoring clear signs of trouble or the       supernatural. But on the other hand, she is supportive and loving and always       seems to have Buffy’s best interests at heart. There seems to be a constant       debate when it comes to Joyce’s parenting. With all of that said and done,       here are five times when Joyce was a bad mother and five times she was       actually better than some would give her credit for.                     10       SHE WAS A GREAT MOM: She’s A Single Mom              Joyce is a single mom who does her absolute best under difficult       circumstances. She clearly didn’t have very much support from Buffy’s       father, given how absent he is in Buffy’s life. That, and mother/daughter       relationships are really hard, especially with a teenage and daughter and       especially if the vampire-slaying teenage daughter in question appears to be       troubled.              Trying to support a family and raise a child on your own is unimaginably       challenging, but Joyce really does give it her best efforts and deserves a       lot of credit for that.                     9       SHE WAS NOT A GREAT MOM: She’s Oblivious              From the very beginning, Joyce seems to downplay all of the very bizarre       things that happen to and around Buffy. In the very first episode that shows       Buffy’s first day at Sunnydale High School, Joyce gives Buffy a quick pep       talk and tries to give her sound advice. Instead she tells Buffy "Try not to       burn anything down.”              It seems as though she almost brushes off how serious something like that is       and makes a joke of it. She is also frequently heard through the series       asking, “What’s going on?," never really seeming to figure things out       despite how obvious and blatant they get.                     8       SHE WAS A GREAT MOM: All Of Season 5              There are a lot of fan theories surrounding Joyce’s character in Season 5.       Joyce is a lot more present later on in the series and most theories point       to the fact that Dawn is now in the picture.              With two daughters to take care of, Joyce seems to be a much more active and       available parent, showing genuine concern for both of her children. It seems       as though the addition of Dawn in the Summers' household changed a lot of       things. Not just in the demon world because Dawn after all is the key, but       in the Summers’ world as well.                     7       SHE WAS NOT A GREAT MOM: She Kicks Buffy Out              One of the worst things Joyce ever does comes at the end of Season 2. Here,       Buffy is about to fight Angel to the death to save the world, but Joyce is       not letting her leave the house. Buffy comes clean to her mother and tells       her everything, but her mother won’t listen and tries to ground her       daughter.              Buffy disobeys her mother and on her way out the door, Joyce tells Buffy,       “If you leave this house, don’t even think about coming back.” Buffy       respects her mother’s wishes and once she kills Angel, she runs away from       Sunnydale.                     6       SHE WAS A GREAT MOM: She Gets Buffy Back              As if to make up for the previous entry, Buffy does eventually return to       Sunnydale and her mom welcomes her back with open arms. Her mom is anxious       to have things return back to normal and wants to trust Buffy again.              She keeps an open line of dialogue between her and her daughter, even when       it comes to Buffy’s slaying. She also fights really hard to get Buffy back       into school when she comes back to Sunnydale and seems to have a hopeful       outlook for Buffy’s entire situation, despite their current circumstances.                     5       SHE WAS NOT A GREAT MOM: She's Too Overprotective              A pretty constant theme throughout the first two seasons, before Joyce finds       out that Buffy is the slayer, is how many times she gets in the way of Buffy       and her slayer duties.              Buffy is constantly having to sneak out and around her mom in order to save       the world from the latest evil thing. Joyce is just trying to protect her       teenage daughter, and it’s not really her fault that she doesn’t know who       her daughter really is. Still, she also doesn’t make an effort to really       examine everything going on in Buffy’s life.                     4       SHE WAS A GREAT MOM: She Protects Buffy No Matter What              Even though Joyce has no idea just how much trouble and danger her daughter       is typically in, she does everything she can think of to protect her. Joyce       seems to have very healthy and normal boundaries for her teenager and if       Buffy were just a normal teenager, Joyce’s house rules would probably work       really well.              She doesn’t expect too much from her daughter, but definitely wants the best       for her and will do what she has to do to ensure her daughter’s happiness       and safety. She does these without ever knowing that so much of what happens       to Buffy (and what she does to save the world) are incredibly dangerous and       out of her control.                     3       SHE WAS NOT A GREAT MOM: Dating Ted              One of the things Joss Whedon does brilliantly is use mythological creatures       and demons to draw parallels to the real life issues a lot of teenagers       face. One of those issues is pointed out in a Season 2 episode “Ted."              Buffy’s mom starts dating and falls for a guy that rubs Buffy the wrong way.       Ted’s '50s-era way of thinking and speaking plus his threats to “give Buffy       a slapping” don’t seem to deter Joyce from her new love interest. After       some       investigating, the Scooby gang learns about Ted’s dark past and eventually       discover he is not a man, but a robot. Joyce clearly doesn’t have great       taste in men.               [in Joyce's defense - she was lonely, and Ted seemed to give her the       support and companionship she missed, wanted and needed]                     2       SHE WAS A GREAT MOM: She Loves Buffy’s Friends              Joyce makes an honest effort to bond with all of the people in Buffy’s life.       She takes an interest in all of her friends and treats Xander and Willow as              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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