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   XPost: alt.politics.usa   
   From: NoOne@private.corp   
      
   On 8/16/2024 9:36 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   > On 8/16/2024 1:46 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >> On 8/16/2024 12:36 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>> On 8/16/2024 12:12 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>> On 8/16/2024 12:08 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>>> On 8/16/2024 12:00 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 8/16/2024 9:46 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 8/16/2024 8:29 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 8/16/2024 8:19 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2024 5:34 AM, Gak, fucked up the ass by priests   
   >>>>>>>>> hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2024 9:20 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2024 7:25 AM, Gak, fucked up the ass by priests   
   >>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2024 12:42 AM, Gronk wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquitous wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vice President Kamala Harris got enough delegate votes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual roll call process to become the official   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic nominee.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden dropped out and Harris stepped up. Your problem?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> But...but...but...democracy!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Biden dropping out is fully consistent with a democracy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Biden's dropping out is; Harris' coronation less so. A   
   >>>>>>>>>> fundamental hallmark of 'democracy' is the will of the people   
   >>>>>>>>>> to select their candidate.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> We don't take lectures from fascists about "fundamental   
   >>>>>>>>> hallmarks of democracy," especially when they put quotes of   
   >>>>>>>>> derision around "democracy," and especially when said fascists   
   >>>>>>>>> oppose democracy in every form.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> There is nothing "anti-democratic" about the way Harris has   
   >>>>>>>>> been chosen. Primary elections and caucuses were held, and the   
   >>>>>>>>> candidate who won a majority of delegates dropped out, meaning   
   >>>>>>>>> it is an open convention. The same thing happened in 1968. In   
   >>>>>>>>> 1968, the eventual nominee, Humphrey, had a minority of the   
   >>>>>>>>> committed delegates, but he ultimately was nominated by the   
   >>>>>>>>> convention.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> 1968 was not the same as 2024. HHH chose not to run in most of   
   >>>>>>>> the primaries, with almost all of the votes being split between   
   >>>>>>>> McCarthy and RFK. Even if RFK had not been assassinated, HHH   
   >>>>>>>> could have won because most of the delegates were not chosen in   
   >>>>>>>> the primaries. That's a big difference.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The point is Humphrey had a minority of committed delegates as of   
   >>>>>>> the night of RFK's assassination. That means he got delegates   
   >>>>>>> that he did not win in primary elections.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> HHH had a plurality of the delegates when RFK was assassinated.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> He still had 90 fewer than the combined total of RFK and McCarthy,   
   >>>>> and a candidate needed to get a majority, which he didn't have. It   
   >>>>> was, for all intents and purposes, an open convention.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Correct. That is, it wasn't like 2024 prior to RFK's assassination.   
   >>>> 1968 is not a good comparison to 2024.   
   >>>   
   >>> They are alike in the sense that the ultimate nominee did not win   
   >>> enough delegates in primaries to become the nominee.   
   >>> Republiscums/QAnon are crying that if the nominee didn't win   
   >>> primaries, the nomination is somehow "illegitimate." It is not.   
   >>   
   >> There was a good argument it was in 1968 (and hence after that, the   
   >> primaries became paramount). It is not a good argument in 2024.   
   >   
   > It would be preferable for the nominee to be chosen by delegates elected   
   > in primaries. That didn't happen this reason due to an extenuating   
   > circumstance. The nominee still will have 100% legitimacy. The   
   > Republiscums/QAnon are full of shit about that.   
      
      
   We're continually seeing more and more reasons we should decide the   
   president by popular vote rather than by the votes of a hundred thousand   
   people in a few swing states.   
      
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