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   Charles Daniels to Col   
   Re: British Subjecthood   
   29 Nov 07 19:53:30   
   
   From: cdaniels@web1.calweb.com   
      
   Col  wrote:   
   > "Charles Daniels"  wrote in message   
      
   > Well no, Scotland was *never* part of England.   
   > It was alway Scotland, though not always  part   
   > of the political entity we know as 'Great Britain'.   
      
   And as per what was said on QI -   
      
      
   The Oxford History of England is about the history of the British Isles.   
   "England" was often used to mean not just itself, but the other countries   
   in the British Isles and even the British Empire. (Forfeit: England,   
   France)   
      
      
   And from a description of The Oxford History of England -   
      
   When the series was commissioned:   
      
   'England' was still an all-embracing word. It mean indiscriminately   
   England, Scotland and Wales; Great Britain; the United Kingdom; and even   
   the British Empire. (A.J.P. Taylor, Volume XV: English History, 1914-1945,   
   page v) Since then there has been a trend in history to restrict the use   
   of the term "England" to the state that existed pre 1707 and to the   
   geographic area it covered and people it contained in the period   
   thereafter. The different authors interpreted "English History"   
   differently, with Taylor opting to write the history of the English   
   people, including the people of Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Empire and   
   Commonwealth where they shared a history with England, but ignoring them   
   where they did not. Other authors opted to treat non-English matters   
   within their remit.   
      
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