From: duckman@gfy.slf   
      
   Jimmuh wrote:   
      
   >>Jesus said that he would return during the lives of his followers:   
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   >   
   > No, Jesus did not say that. Let's look at the verses.   
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   >>Matthew 16:28   
   >>Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of   
   >>death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.   
   >>   
   >>Matthew 24:34   
   >>Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things   
   >>be fulfilled.   
   >>   
   >>Matthew 23:36   
   >>Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.   
   >>   
   >>Mark 9:1   
   >>And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them   
   >>that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the   
   >>kingdom of God come with power.   
   >>   
   >>Mark 13:30   
   >>Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these   
   >>things be done.   
   >>   
   >>Luke 9:27   
   >>But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not   
   >>taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.   
   >>   
   >>Luke 21:32   
   >>Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be   
   >>fulfilled.   
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   >   
   > These are all the same statement. "The Kingdom of God" absolutely did   
   > come to that generation.   
   >   
   > Mt 12:28   
   > But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God   
   > is come unto you.   
   >   
   > Mk 1:15   
   > And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:   
   > repent ye, and believe the gospel.   
   >   
   > Mk 4:11   
   > And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the   
   > kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are   
   > done in parables   
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   >   
   > The Kingdom of God is hidden from some. No surprise that some should   
   > not understand it, like yourself.   
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   >   
   > Mk 12:34   
   > And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou   
   > art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask   
   > him any question.   
   >   
   >   
   > This scribe was not far from the Kingdom of God. Does that mean he was   
   > not far from physical death, heaven, or the second coming of Christ?   
   > Of course not.   
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   >   
   > Mt 11:12   
   > And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven   
   > suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   
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   >   
   > The Kingdom of Heaven is a much wider concept than simply the second   
   > coming of Christ.   
      
   Oh, sure it is. It is a concept of a post fact ad hoc cop-out, whereby when   
   some "prophecy" fails to materialize, it has to be "interpreted" as actually   
   occurring but not in the real sense of the word.   
   You fucking Christers thrive on such shit, just like Nostradamus idiots, UFO   
   believing morons and other gullible riffraff.   
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   >   
   >>Where is the fulfillment of this "prophecy"? Are his disciples still alive?   
   >>They must be cashing a shitload of Social Security checks by now.   
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   >   
   > You throw random allegations, which are easily disproven.   
      
   What's disproven? Jesus "said" (and I put this in quotes because other than   
   the Bible, there is zero evidence for his existence) that he would return   
   during the lives of his followers. He did not. Your pathetic attempts to   
   rationalize your waste of time called religion are duly noted, although   
   understandable, because who wants to go around realizing he pissed away his   
   only life.   
      
   > You don't   
   > want to understand, because socialism is your religion.   
      
   And you are too stupid and illiterate to know the difference between a   
   socialist and a social liberal, but then again, to a fascist, everyone is a   
   communist.   
      
   > Your beloved   
   > Voltaire, who predicted the immenent demise of the Bible, has his old   
   > house being used for the Kingdom of God right now. The Bible's   
   > prophesies never fail.   
      
   Yet another red herring and a lie for Jesus. Even if this was true (care to   
   provide a source?), what is that supposed to prove? Are you really that   
   desperate?   
      
   >   
   > Socialists' prophesies ALWAYS do.   
      
      
   Snip shit. Anyway, I'm tired of your religious nonsense. Feel free to join   
   the Taliban and share your visions and delusions. In the meantime, I'm not   
   going to hold my breath about the list of the so-called "academics who   
   studied the Bible prophecies and concluded it was true".   
      
   It's a free world - you want to believe in angles, devils, gods, gremlins,   
   talking snakes, burning bushes and crackers turning into flesh, be my guest.   
      
      
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