From: duckman@gfy.slf   
      
   Joel wrote:   
      
   >>>More like because you believe "evolution" could happen without a   
   >>>guiding force.  Or that the universe just happens to exist, with no   
   >>>further reason for its existence.   
   >>   
   >>Argument from ignorance, or rephrased for someone who obviously hasn't read   
   >>a book other than the Bible:   
      
   >   
   > Oh, please, you child.  You guys always resort to that kind of   
   > emotional, ad hominem bullshit.  Don't get your panties in a bunch,   
   > just 'cause you were stupid enough to take on this argument.  Be a   
   > man.   
      
   And you don't see the irony in the above where you accuse me of ad hominem   
   and proceed to spank the rhetorical monkey with "You guys always..."?   
      
      
   >>"I don't know what caused X, so I'll assume that an invisible being Q did."   
   >   
   > Very meaningful.   
      
   ??? It's your position, not mine. If you realize it's stupid, that may the   
   first step.   
      
   >>Occam's razor deals with your gods effectively, or restated, why only one   
   >>god? If the Universe needs a creator, then this creator needs a creator, ad   
   >>infinitum.   
   >   
   > You think so?  A miracle happened, somewhere, to be sure.  It wasn't   
   > simply the universe Banging itself into existence, though.   
      
   And how do you know? Once again you're arguing from ignorance while using   
   special pleading. We know the Universe exists and even though we will never   
   have the answers to some questions, we can still look for them. Pulling   
   imaginary beings out of our ass is not looking, it's a cop-out.   
      
   > I know you'd like to think you're already as aware as you'll   
   > ever be - but I hope, for your sake, that that is not the case.  We   
   > are more than physical beings.   
      
   So you keep saying. Where is the evidence? You keep bleating about gods,   
   angels, devils, souls, hells, heavens, immaculate conceptions, miracles and   
   other such shit, yet the only thing you have to offer to support this   
   nonsense is "knowing in your heart" and Jesus' face in a sandwich.   
      
   >>Yet, not only is there no indication of this so-called creator,   
   >>all religions so far turn out to be a complete collection of bullshit made   
   >>up by ignorant goatfuckers thousands of years ago.   
   >   
   > Nonsense.  If you really think the Bible could have been fabricated,   
   > you are not even worth arguing with.  Yet, I try, because I'm foolish   
   > enough to actually care about prompting obnoxious, schizo twerps like   
   > you into opening your minds.  Guess I get what I deserve.   
      
   The Bible is a mish-mash of stupid ignorant stories, bad poetry, endless   
   genealogy, ancient rudimentary legal system (and a cruel and primitive one   
   to boot), failed prophecies, etc.   
   If you think a book like the Bible "can not be fabricated", you're pathetic   
   - just look at Joseph Smith's and Hubbard's bullshit. Same difference.   
      
   >>As for your "guiding force", where the fuck is it? Figments of your   
   >>imagination count for shit. Why does your god just happen to exist, with no   
   >>further reason for his existence? Oh, wait, one third of him had a reason   
   >>for his existence, didn't he?   
   >   
   > Whatever.  It's so obvious that DNA was created by an intelligent   
   > force,   
      
   How is that obvious, oh, enlightened one?   
      
   > and that evolution didn't happen by Mrs. Garrison's "retard   
   > babies".  Wake the fuck up.  Yahweh is a miracle, and he performed a   
   > bunch of miracles, but *that was the miracle*.  There's a *point* to   
   > life.   
      
   Sure there is. And just what would that be? To be an automaton who grovels   
   and praises the insecure alpha dog in the sky who might otherwise get in one   
   of his genocidal moods once more?   
      
   >>>I'm not preaching Intelligent Design as a school curriculum, by any   
   >>>means (it is a type of religious belief), but nevertheless, it's a   
   >>>worthy philosophy.  Atheism is really just a form of schizophrenia.   
   >>   
   >>Really? then consider this: there are literally thousands of gods and you   
   >>just believe in one more than atheists. Enjoy your schizophrenia.   
      
   >   
   > You don't know what I believe, you moron.   
      
   What the fuck do I care? You believe in supernatural, imaginary beings   
   simply and exclusively on the grounds that someone else told you that was   
   so. You prefer not to think rationally and resort to superstition for   
   whatever reason.   
      
   > If you want to define   
   > "gods" as beings who resemble Yahweh, sure, there are thousands if not   
   > millions.  But they aren't deities.  There is also a collective deity,   
   > but it is not a being - more like a network.   
      
   Really? And you know all of this "in your heart", yes?   
      
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