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>> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Joel" wrote in message
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>>>>> "Pink Freud" wrote:
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>>>>>>Thank you. I will now continue poking the fundamentalist with a pointy
>>>>>>stick, if that's cool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There aren't any fucking fundamentalists here, you cock-smoking nerd.
>>>>> I'm a fucking alcoholic. My beliefs are not something I give two
>>>>> moist shits about on Sunday mornings, gaywad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fucked the Virgin Mary. Literally.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joel Crump
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>>>> There's your definition of schizophrenia, Joel.
>>>
>>> Since you apparently blew Joel's fuse, I'd like to ask you a question:
>>> What can you know for absolute certain? Another way to ask this is,
>>> "What, if anything, can be known with absolute certainty?"
>>>
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>> I know that I exist, because if I didn't exist then I couldn't ask the
>> question
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>
> This is an excellent start!
>
> However, you need to go deeper. Your "knowing" that "you" "asked a
> question" is based on several presumptions. First, there has to be
> something which you refer to as "I" in order for that "I" to have been the
> one who asked the question, so you're basing your existence on the
> assumption that you exist.
>
> Second, you assume you "ask[ed] the question." How do you know you asked
> a question? How do you know for certain that you (or someone else, if
> there is no "you) aren't dreaming all this, or that this is all some sort
> of halucination? Maybe there is no such thing as a question, the concept
> of question is just another of thoise things which maked perfect sense in
> a dream but upon awakening has no meaning at all?
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'I think, therefore I am."
Never a truer word spoken.
I know I can think because even if I ever had doubts, "doubt" itself must
involve me thinking.
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>> "What, if anything, can....". I'm not sure *you* exist though. No
>> offense. You could just be a figment of my imagination.
>
> Absolutely true! And you or I could be a figment of someone else's
> imagination, or part of a dream of some alien being, or some random
> interaction of interstellar gas, or something beyond existence or
> conceptualization, and not have any way to know it.
>
> It might seem like the like of reasoning I'm using would ultimately result
> in nothing being knowable. However, it actually results in one thing and
> only one thing being knowable.
>
> What is that one thing? I believe that if you think about it, you'll get
> it.
>
Heh. You a Hitchhiker's fan?
'It's nothing to do with me,' he said, 'I am not involved with people. The
Lord knows I am not a cruel man.'
'Ah!' barked Zarniwhoop, 'you say "The Lord". You believe in something!'
'My cat,' said the man benignly, picking up it up and stroking it. 'I call
him The Lord. I am kind to him.'
'Alright,' said Zarniwhoop, pressing home his point, 'how do you know he
exists? How do you know he knows you to be kind, or enjoys what he thinks of
as your kindness?'
'I don't,' said the man with a smile, 'I have no idea. It merely pleases me
to behave in a certain way to what appears to be a cat. Do you behave any
differently? Please, I think I am tired.'
Zarniwhoop heaved a thoroughly dissatisfied sigh and looked about.
'Where are the other two? he said suddenly.
'What other two?' said the ruler of the Universe, settling back into his
chair and refilling his whisky glass.
'Beeblebrox and the girl! The two who were here!'
'I remember no one.l The past is a fiction to account for...'
'Stuff it,' snapped Zarniwhoop.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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