XPost: alt.politics.libertarian, alt.politics.liberalism, soc.culture.usa
From: wog-NotThisBit-george@amd-p.com
"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news:479d9067$0$9106$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:50:27 +0000, Wog George wrote:
>
>>
>> If someone annoys crap out of you (the generic "you", not you
>> personally),
>> you're unlikely to support or adopt what they say. That's the reasoning.
>> Ron Paul may be a very nice and wonderful human being. My impression of
>> him, alas, is soured by my introduction to him. If his "support crew" is
>> anything to go by, I don't want diddly squat to do with him. That may
>> well be the OP's intention, but I really have no way of knowing.
>
> How were you introduced to Ron Paul, through the web or in person? I
> first met Ron Paul in 1988 during his first run for President as a
> Libertarian. I haven't spoken to him since.
>
I have never spoken to Ron Paul and I don't even know who he is. My
disinterest is such that I haven't even bothered at all to find out anything
about him. Other than posts by Kenny and your posts (Surly Curmudgeon?
Nice!), his name hasn't figured in my life.
> At that time I shared my disenchantment with the Libertarian Party with
> Ron Paul and found that he had some of the same concerns. One issue he
> did resolve for me though was the oath not to initiate violence.
>
> That was a pretty big one for me as I have no problem with becoming
> midieval on threats or violations of liberty. Ron Paul reminded me that
> the oath required to join the party does not require pacificism but not to
> _initiate_ violence.
>
Based on what you've said, he sounds OK to me.
> Even so I've only joined the party during a few election years recognizing
> that I'm more of a Constitutional Minarchist. This is why I support Ron
> Paul, he is a staunch Constitutionalist.
>
> Since you are Australian, please take the time to read the Constitution
> and especially the Bill of Rights. Our BofR is more like the completion
> of a rushed, unfinished, Constitution. It is a magnificent document that
> has been under attack for 200+ years by lawyers and power mongers. Both
> official parties in the United States have used the same tools to thwart
> the Constitution but this is the first president to openly trash it.
>
I will do just that. If nothing else, I'll at least know what it says. My
head is so full of interesting facts and figures that a bit more won't hurt!
> Ron Paul is the only candidate in a very long time to respect the very
> document that politicians, military, and police take an oath to honor.
>
> Look more closely at Ron Paul, he may be America's last hope.
>
>> Don't worry about America's disintegration as a result of my post. I'm
>> an Australian, and I voted for Kevin in 07!
>
> At least you didn't vote for John Howard, he was almost as bad as Bush.
>
He would have been voted out in 2001 except for the fact that he was in
Washington when the attacks happened. He somehow became the "people's poet"
or somethingorother, and the Aussies inexplicably rallied around him.
>> Politics isn't my topic, but I'm glad that John Howard has been voted
>> out. He was a lap dog to an idiot. For some reason, he found the need
>> to accommodate GWB on every occasion. I'm neither pro nor anti the
>> "war" in Iraq. I'd still rather have our troops come home than linger
>> on. Aside from some special ops guys, the Aussies are coming home soon.
>>
>> GWB inherited a very tough job, particularly when the towers fell. I'm
>> sure Al Gore was overwhelmingly pleased to have lost the election at
>> that point. Manbearpig is more his speed anyway! Like him or loathe
>> him, Bill Clinton is a very smart cookie, but I'm pretty certain he's
>> quite pleased that 9/11 didn't happen during his term in office.
>
> No one in their right mind would want to be in office during 9/11. Of
> course that doesn't apply to politicians...
>
>> Since "western" inhabitation, Australia has had nothing like what you
>> guys have had. I can only thank my lucky stars that I was born in a
>> country that has never actually had a war (WWII incursions by the
>> Japanese excluded) and accepts people from every landform on the planet.
>> We seem to fight in everyone else's wars but we've never had one of our
>> own. In many ways we're shielded but we're not ignorant. We watch, but
>> probably on CNN!
>
> Yeah, I've worked with a lot of Aussies and found them to be a lot of fun
> however quite a few were bigots. The same is true of my country. Damn.
>
>
That's a sad fact. While most Australians don't care a toss about someone's
racial heritage, there are many who choose to divide our population on
racial lines. Except for extreme cases, it's usually nothing more than a
bit of name-calling. I, for instance, have no problem referring to someone
from India as a "curry muncher". On the flip-side, I'm more likely to
befriend someone from India on the basis that we have a common interest -
cricket! That's just the way it is.
Thanks for your frank and balanced response, Curly. You probably thought I
was a complete dickhead and maybe still do. I'm just me, like it or lump
it! Despite my lack of a hat, I occasionally talk out of it. I definitely
have an arse, and it gets a bit of air-time on occasions too. Not on this
occasion though...
--
George
"If I don't see you in the future, I'll see you in the past" - Tommy Bolin -
Melbourne 1975
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