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   From: zzz.zzz@qqq.net   
      
   Reaper G wrote:   
      
   >>> Yeah, yeah, you're so much superior to people who believe in something   
   >>> that you don't. We get it.   
   >> Again, your strawmen, you burn it.   
   >   
   > Again, it's your attitude, change it.   
      
   Lucky for me that Ripper G is around as the ultimate arbiter of   
   attitudes in people, huh?   
      
   >>>> The key word is *advocating*, i.e. promoting a   
   >>>> view by peaceful means, as opposed to what the religious fanatics have   
   >>>> been doing for millenniums now - religious genocide, the Inquisition,   
   >>>> the pogroms, torture, murder, rape, wars, Crusades, forced conversions,   
   >>>> suicide bombings, etc.   
   >>>> How is Dawkins different from all this??? Well, I suppose he isn't, if   
   >>>> you're a moron.   
   >>> Jesus never   
   >> existed.   
   >   
   > Another atheist fairy tale. Jesus simply being a normal man with   
   > superpowers attributed to him (the most likely scenario) isn't enough   
   > for you.   
      
   ??? Who gives a fuck if some man named Jeshua existed somewhere in Judea   
   and if he preached some superstitious nonsense? People like that were a   
   dime a dozen at that time. The Christian claim is not that there was   
   such a man, but that he was a god, a extraordinary claim that requires   
   extraordinary evidence (none offered so far).   
   Either way, this is a Christians' delusion and the rest of the world   
   should not be subjected to the phony, dubious and largely hypocritical   
   "morality" that this religion forces on everyone else. At lest the Jews   
   have a decency to state that they are the chosen people of their god who   
   cares about no one else, but the Christians can't stop there. No,   
   *everyone* in their path has to share in their delusion and its "morals".   
      
   > By your "logic," since George Washington never chopped down   
   > the cherry tree as a boy, he never existed, either.   
      
   George Washington was an ordinary man whose existence is well documented   
   in numerous historical documents.   
   Jesus' alleged existence is documented only in the Bible, i.e. the whole   
   religion is a circular argument: the Bible says that there is God/Jesus   
   and the Bible is right because God/Jesus says so.   
   There is absolutely nothing that proves the Judeo-Christian god anymore   
   than any of the other tens of thousands of gods imagined and invented by   
   people ever since the first hominid tried to explain what makes thunder   
   and lightning.   
      
   >   
   >> supported all those above misdeeds, and depending on who   
   >>   
   >>> you talk to, neither did Mohammad. If an over-exuberant Dawkins fan   
   >>> hijacked a plane and crashed it into the Vatican, I wouldn't be   
   >>> surprised.   
   >> But then again, you *are* an idiot, so this masturbatory fantasy is not   
   >> surprising, while meantime in the real world the rest of us live in,   
   >> actual fanatics, zealots, bigots and fundamentalists kill people for   
   >> real, from those who they consider infidels to doctors who perform   
   >> medical service they disagree with, etc.   
   >   
   > And atheists are capable of fanatacism, zealotry, bigotry, and   
   > fundamentalism as any believer. You're proving it.   
      
   Keep repeating it. Eventually you'll convince yourself. It's called   
   FoxNews effect.   
      
   >   
   >>> The above governments actively targeted religion, places of worship   
   >>> were razed and priests murdered. They also went after intellectuals   
   >>> and free-thinkers, the very thing Dawkins says he is.   
   >>>> All the people you named above also drank water and wore shoes. I   
   >>>> suppose drinking water and wearing shoes make you a mass murderer.   
   >>>> Accusing Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot of crimes on the basis of their atheism   
   >>>> makes as much sense as accusing Hitler of crimes based on his   
   Christianity.   
   >>> Hitler found the church to be a useful tool, but he had about as much   
   >>> use for God in his own life as those other dictators.   
   >> Ah, I was wondering when you were going to hit the True Scotsman fallacy.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> as well as   
   >>>>>> the constant suppression of thought, science and progress that continues   
   >>>>>> to this day, from "Intelligent Design" peddlers in the US to the utter   
   >>>>>> illiteracy and general backwardness of every Muslim country where church   
   >>>>>> rules the state?   
   >>>>> There's no thought, science, or progress in mocking the beliefs of   
   >>>>> others.   
   >>>> How is this relevant to anything Dawkins, or even I said?   
   >>> It's the biggest problem with the modern atheist movement. Atheists   
   >>> need an MLK-type leader, not the Jacksons and Sharptons they have   
   >>> right now.   
   >> [yawn] I've been posting to atheist newsgroups for years now and this   
   >> type of tripe is something I've heard dozens of times already: when   
   >> you're unable to answer direct questions, present logical and rational   
   >> arguments and otherwise make your case, resort to completely irrelevant   
   >> bullshit, smokescreens, red herrings, strawmen to burn, appeals to   
   >> emotion, attacks on a person and so on.   
   >   
   > There's nothing logical and rational about the militant atheist   
   > attitude. Lawrence started this thread wondering why people wouldn't   
   > like Dr. Dawkins, I explained why, I'm still explaining why, and   
   > therefore my argument is still relevant.   
      
   The amazing thing is that you are able to "explain" this so well without   
   ever having read a word what Dawkins ever said. Your "explanations", if   
   you haven't noticed so far, consist of repeating your claims over and   
   over and over again without once bothering to offer a rational argument.   
   This is precisely one of the symptoms of the American anti-intellectual   
   culture today: no one bothers with rational and logical thought. What is   
   offered instead are simplistic slogans, bombastic bumperstickers,   
   mindless chanting and instant "solutions" that sound as if they're   
   written for a kindergarten class. You are a perfect example of this   
   culture - you actually and honestly believe that you are "arguing"   
   something in this thread.   
      
   > How many of the above   
   > inabilities to answer questions have applied to you in this   
   > discussion?   
   >   
   >>>>> Science, reason, and logic are wonderful things, but they're   
   >>>>> not the *only* things.   
   >>>> Yes, and?   
   >>>>> Science won't bring one comfort at the bedside   
   >>>>> of a dying relative.   
   >>>> It isn't supposed to, but then, neither is religion.   
   >>> Religion does exactly that. Take it from one who's been there.   
   >> Like who gives a fuck? Millions of people killed in the name of one   
   >> religion or another, billions of dollars wasted annually on religious   
   >> crap that ends up filling the pocket of the few, thousands of children   
   >> molested, raped, abused and turned to suicide bombers by religion   
   >> peddlers, whole civilizations exterminated, scientific and philosophical   
      
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