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From: Obveeus@aol.com
"Thanatos" wrote:
> "Obveeus" wrote:
>
>> "Thanatos" wrote in message
>> news:atropos-73B412.01332423042010@news-wc.giganews.com...
>> > In article ,
>> > Barry Margolin wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article ,
>> >> Thanatos wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Ultimately, if some Muslim wack-job does something violent both the
>> >> > legal and moral responsibility lies with the wack-job. We thankfully
>> >> > haven't reached the point yet where the victim of extortion bears
>> >> > culpability for not surrendering their freedoms to the extorters.
>> >>
>> >> The wack-jobs are litigation-proof, Comedy Central isn't.
>> >
>> > Which brings me back to their lack of spine. Any media outlet, even a
>> > comedy channel, that's willing to give up the fundamental freedom which
>> > is the lifeblood of its industry merely because they might be sued has
>> > no business being in that industry in the first place.
>>
>> These 'media outlets' regularly give up their 'fundamental freedom'
>> for much less.
>
> No doubt.
>
>> How is this different than when the idiot rightwingers put together a
>> sponsor boycott against advertisers and cause programs to alter their
>> content?
>
> It's not, except that there are threats of violence involved here.
> Boycotts are legal. Threatening to kill people is not.
If the authorities felt that they could get a conviction over these
'threats', arrests would be made and you know it.
> I know you think you've somehow engineered a "gotcha" moment here by
> bringing in "right-wingers" but you've made some assumptions about me
> that will sadly result in dashed expectations on your part.
You always deny being a 'right winger' and your denials are always very
weak. Never the less, the 'gotcha' moment here had nothing to do with
politics. it has to do with media outlets fairly regularly altering
programs for simple threats to boycott sponsors products...and yet you think
it is unreasonable to alter programming when people's lives are at stake.
It is unbelievably misguided of you to claim that Comedy Central lacks balls
or smarts or whatnot over this issue when all they are trying to do is keep
their people safe and their programming viable.
>> You think that Comedy Central should risk the lives of their
>> innovent employees, but that it is less spineless for them to fold if the
>> PTC threatens to tell people to stop buying soap from an advertiser?
>
> Where exactly did I say that?
You have made it quite clear that you think that Comedy Central is wrong to
'censor' the cartoon even though their reasons for doing so are life and
death.
> Or is this just another one of your "innocent questions" that has no
> implications as to what you assume to be my position?
I assume your position is just right of the far right fringe...as it usually
is. If you don't think Comedy Central is 'spineless' or that they are
acting like 'cowards', then feel free to explain your comments more clearly.
>> You are picking a really poor fight here. if you want to 'show
>> some balls' and 'defend your right to free speech', go out there
>> and do it yourself.
>
> How do you know I don't?
If you were dressed as Muhammed and dancing around in front of a radical
mosque, I would have seen you (or your corpse) on the news.
> I certainly don't go around censoring myself
> based on the dictates of Islam out of fear of being attacked by one of
> these vicious animals.
I bet your employer would 'censor' you in such a way that you couldn't do
that Muhammed dance in front of the radical mosque while on company time.
That is the issue here. The company (Comedy Central) is fully within its
rights to 'censor' a couple of their employees in this manner if they
choose...and do so because they believe it will benefit the majority of
people depending on them for a paycheck..
> Do you?
I worry about both the Muslim radicals and the 'they can pry my gun from my
cold dead hand' crowd since both are great threats to the American way of
life.
>> Dress up as Muhammed and dance around like an idiot in front of
>> one of these extremist Mosque's on the terror watch list. Stop
>> asking the secretaries, accountants, and security guards working
>> for Comedy Central to risk their lives to defend some vaguely a
>> co-worker's right to draw an offensive cartoon.
>
> I'm not asking them anything. I'm suggesting Comedy Central should ask
> that of them. No one's forcing them to work there. If the job is too
> dangerous, they can find another one.
You think employees of Comedy Central should have to quit their jobs because
a couple of idiots at the company are turning it into a dangerous workplace?
That is an assinine solution and would be quite irresponsible of Comedy
Central to ask it of hundreds of employees. These people go to work to earn
a decent living, not for the thrill of risking their lives daily.
> Of course I noticed you never addressed the broader implications of
> this. If you believe it's both moral and makes good business sense
Quite frankly, I don't care if it is 'moral' to value people's lives more
than a 'freedom talking point'. It is good business and it is what any
intelligent employer would do. Does it mean that the bad guys win in this
instance...sure...but there are much bigger/better stances to take in
defense of your freedom/life that whether or not a cartoon is allowed to
makes jokes about a religious leader. If you don't like that the network
'caved', vote with your dollar and stop watching the show.
> Maybe you believe the TV networks and movie studios should
> do whatever these lunatics demand?
They regularly 'cave' to all kinds of lunatics, so why should this
particular group of lunatics be any different?
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