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   From: jason@oconal.id.au   
      
   In aus.sf.star-trek Daniel47@teranews.com  wrote:   
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   > I was one of the three people who went to the first session (10:30a.m.   
   > 3D) this morning at the local multiples, with no real expectations, but   
   > was pleasantly surprised!!   
      
   I didn't go to one of the first sessions, but I did go on the Thursday   
   it came out (3D also -- my first 3D film). I, too, was pleasantly   
   surprised.   
      
   > Several references to the original Trek (Leonard Nimoy as Original   
   > Spock, Khan and his band of supercharged Humans from 300 years ago, Dr   
   > Carol Marcus, Tribbels, one of the leads dying in the Enterprise's   
   > reactor room) but the storyline is, sort of, not dependant on any of   
   > these, just they all help.   
      
   I agree that the throwbacks to original Trek were nicely done, but I was   
   very disappointed that the 'death' scene didn't involve Kirk and Spock   
   saying "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the   
   one." (Yes, I know that phrase appeared earlier in the film, but I was   
   still disappointed.)   
      
   > A couple of problems I noticed (I think) were:-   
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   > a.      At one stage the Enterprise is loaded with 36 Photon Torps but when   
   > the (semi-)bad guy asks Kirk how many photon Torps were loaded, Kirk   
   > looks at Spook who answers 72, with a bit of a grin his face which, to   
   > me, indicated he knew he was giving incorrect information. Although 72   
   > is used in the rest of the film.   
      
   This really frustrated me also. I thought it was a milestone that Spock   
   was prepared to lie for the benefit of the mission. Given that Spock had   
   repeated "Vulcans cannot lie" throughout the film.   
      
   > b.      At one time, Kirk asks Scotty (who had resigned from Star Fleet   
   > during this film) to check out what is located at location nn.nn.43.nn   
   > but then actually checks location nn.nn.46.nn (I forget the actual   
   > location but remember the third couplets are different).   
      
   Didn't notice this.   
      
   > A bit of unbelievability(1) in the film is that whilst Scotty is   
   > checking out this location in a runabout, a fleet of runabouts shows up   
   > to enter the base located there, so Scotty just flies his eunabout into   
   > the fleet and enters the base!! How blind are these enemy pilots??   
      
   Agreed. This was rather unrealistic. I can cope with other improbable   
   circumstances (e.g., why is it that enemy ships are destroyed so easily   
   while the /Enterprise/ can sustain serious damage and still survive) but   
   this seems to me just as poor story writing.   
      
   While I am not convinced it was necessary, I thought Khan's crushing of   
   people's skulls aptly portrayed his rage, sociopathy and superiority.   
      
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