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   GettingCloser@here.com wrote in   
   news:5av7e91cmqphuj5chjqoubsi0hdb1iove1@anonymous.eternal-september.org:   
      
   > On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:21:25 +0100, Wouter Valentijn   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>Your Name schreef op 25-1-2014 06:21:   
   >>> In article <9jf6e9hdpsj3prvcnb1reng368p3lp6e1c@4ax.com>,   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:54 +0100, Wouter Valentijn   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>> GettingCloser@here.com schreef op 24-1-2014 18:23:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I want my antimatter cigarette lighter, please!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Nah, smoking is very unhealthy.   
   >>>>> But once you get your hands on some serious amounts of antimatter,   
   >>>>> why not take inspiration from 'The Doomsday Machine' and create a   
   >>>>> planet killer! Oh, wait.... That might be unhealthy also.....   
   >>>>   
   >>>> People do a lot of unhealthy things. As long as they do them to   
   >>>> themselves, it's really none of your business.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Now when they do such things to OTHERS, especially the helpless,   
   >>>> that makes it EVERYBODY'S business.   
   >>>    
   >>>   
   >>> I tend to agree, but there are added problems.   
   >>>   
   >>> Firstly, in many places your taxes are wasted to help people who   
   >>> make stupid decisions, for example health services for people who   
   >>> CHOOSE to smoke, rescue services for people who CHOOSE to climb a   
   >>> mountain, etc. Public taxes should not be used for these purposes,   
   >>> the people who choose to do those things should pay for any   
   >>> consequences themselves.   
   >>   
   >>I also tend to agree here.   
   >>However, I also think that these services, like justice, should be   
   >>blind. The principle of solidarity with all should be upheld. It is   
   >>the foundation of society.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> Secondly, the people doing stupid things often cause damage to   
   >>> innocent bystanders. For example a drunk driver or idiot trying to   
   >>> escape the police crashes into an innocent road user or pedestrian.   
   >>   
   >>Indeed. Jail time for those I'd say.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> The point of where to draw the line in interferring in what people   
   >>> do is difficult to establish ... although in 99% of cases, the   
   >>> policitcally correct fools are way over the line.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>The trouble is that life consists out of a lot of gray areas.   
   >>Things might indeed not always be clear and humans, imperfect as they   
   >>are, can make mistakes. On either side of that vague line.   
   >>Society has people (we hope) that are qualified to make that judgment   
   >>call. I try not to be the first one to throw stones.   
   >   
   > Since we are now into politics...   
   >   
   > Applying that to social and moral situations, what about those who   
   > deliberately live beyond their means with no intentions of ever paying   
   > back their debts and then declare personal bankruptcy?  Laws have been   
   > tightening on that but then you hear of the new IRS "forgiveness"   
   > where backtaxes can be completely forgiven ten cents on the dollar.   
   >   
      
   Technically, ten cents on the dollar wouldn't be "completely" forgiven.   
      
   > However, when an overpaid CEO sails his company into the rocky shore   
   > and bankrupts the company, throwing thousands out of work and   
   > threatening the entire national economy, suddenly THEY are "too big to   
   > fail" and MUST be rescued.   
   >   
   > Conservatives rally all day long against welfare for the individual as   
   > if it is worshipping Satan himself.   
   >   
      
   Typical one-sided liberal hogwash.   
      
   > So Corporate Welfare = GOOD; Personal Welfare = BAD.   
   >   
   > Conservatives never see the irony in how billions freely given to bad   
   > companies is good yet billions that might make people in bad   
   > situations productive  is good.   
   >   
   > I blame conservatives for not being conservative.  Under Bush they   
   > grew the government more than ALL Presidents in the past COMBINED and   
   > strapped us with a phony war debt we will NEVER repay.   
   >   
      
   Of course you do. Liberals are perfect, after all.   
      
   > Either way, you throw the dice.  Yet the rich's dice are always   
   > weighted by the legislation they write for Congress and is passed   
   > unread.   
   >   
   > BTW: didn't Bush's unfunded Iraq war cost the country about $17   
   > TRILLION about now?  Think what could have been done with that money   
   > had the military and the President been worth a fuck on 9/11.   
   >   
   > And don't get me started on Bush's TARP bailout that Obama bobbed his   
   > head and continued.   
   >   
   > The rich get what they want because they are HOLY.  The poor just   
   > deserve to die because they didn't choose to be born rich with Daddy's   
   > money.   
   >   
      
   LOL   
      
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