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From: liam@valentijn.nu
Op 23-6-2017 om 22:33 schreef anim8rfsk:
> In article <594d73f2$0$827$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>
>> Op 23-6-2017 om 20:21 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>> In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>>>>>>> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>>>>>>> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
>>>> Timeline.
>>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>
>>
>> Funny thing is, in 'Encounter at Farpoint', Data says he graduated from
>> Starfleet in '78.... Which would place that in I think 2278. 2378 would
>> be really silly in the light of 2364 mentioned by Geordi in a later episode.
>>
>> If 2278 is true, for that episode, than I think that their first inkling
>> was to set TNG around 2300.
>>
>> I have somewhere in my collection (I don't remember the exact title) a
>> guide to the history of ships named 'Enterprise', with a timeline that
>> shifts the now 'official' timeline some 60 years into the past. Which
>> better suits what was going on in TOS.
>>
>> And if I'm not mistaken the text on the cover of the TMP novel states
>> that it is set at the beginning of the 23d century. (the German language
>> version of Star Trek (TOS) (Raumschiff Enterprise) says it is in the
>> year 2200).
>>
>> So, sadly there was a shift of over half a century.
>
> TNG was originally in the first year (or years) of the 24th Century, so
> call it 2301. It was also 78 years after real Trek, so call real Trek
> 2223 (we don't know *where* in real Trek, so there's some leeway). Mr.
> Scott's Guide to the Enterprise put TMP in 2222 (IIRC).
I have that one too somewhere. :-)
> All of that
> worked just fine. Then at the end of TNG's first season, Data tells the
> guys from the past that it's "By your calendar two thousand three
> hundred sixty four." and they decided that rather than admit Data (or
> credited writers Maurice Hurley and/or Deborah McIntyre and/or Mona
> Clee*) got it wrong they've been retconning ever since. Of course it
> never helped that Encounter at Farpoint stuck in an extra world war.
> And then some idiot decided it would be cute if TOS eps took place
> exactly 300 years after they aired ...
Maybe in part influenced by the episode 'Miri', but I might give them
too much credit for it to be that.
>
> *note that this is the only Trek McIntyre or Clee ever wrote. I've
> wondered if McIntyre is related to Vonda N. McIntyre who wrote all that
> terrible fanfic before finagling her way into writing bad novelizations.
>
> BTW, good to see you again Wouter! :)
>
Likewise! :-)
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Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net
"Be yourself no matter what they say"
Sting ("Englishman in New York")
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