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   From: dtravel@sonic.net   
      
   On 6/27/2017 6:45 AM, The Last Doctor wrote:   
   > Ubiquitous  wrote:   
   >> starfist@gmail.invalid wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:21:41 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:   
   >>>> liam@valentijn.nu wrote:   
   >>>>> Op 26-6-2017 om 19:46 schreef Ubiquitous:   
   >>>>>> starfist@gmail.invalid wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> I wonder if the reason women are forbidden to command a starship in   
   >>>>>>> Krik's era has anything to do with the disaster that is brewing for   
   >>>>>>> this series.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Didn't we learn anything from Voyager?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Voyager had issues orbiting issues. The gender of Janeway was not part   
   >>>>> of that. It was the writers. They failed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If memory serves, they made a big deal about having a female captain   
   >>>   
   >>> The PR push was annoying, but they didn't have to upend anything to   
   >>> write the character.  At least the timeline worked. Kirk says that   
   >>> women are forbidden to captain a sharship 10 years after Discover   
   >>> takes place. Not a problem for Voyager.   
   >>   
   >> But that wasn't the point. the point is they made a big deal about finally   
   >> having a female Captain and she was a miserable failure, proving the point   
   of   
   >> them not allowing female captains.   
   >>   
   >   
   > They'd had female captains before though - Uhura even had the conn of the   
   > Enterprise in a TAS episode. The captain of the Saratoga in STIV, the   
   > captain of the Enterprise C - even Troi managed not to make a total pigs   
   > ear of it the one time she got command. Alongside Voyager, Dax was known to   
   > command the Defiant...   
   >   
   There is a significant difference between being the Captain (commanding   
   officer) of a ship and having the conn (standing a watch as the senior   
   on-duty bridge officer or temporarily filling in for said).   
      
   > ...and of course, Janice Lester's outburst was then retconned away in   
   > Enterprise. If Earth ships in Archer's time could have female captains,   
   > surely the touchy-feely Federation   
   > that followed it wouldn't go backwards in this regard. We just didn't   
   > happen to see one onscreen in TOS, Lester was 17 bananas short of a bunch   
   > and Kirk was just humouring her.   
   >   
   To quote Anim, "'Enterprise' was a holo-novel!"  :)   
      
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