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From: Daniel47@eternal-september.org
On 24/06/2017 7:51 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <594d803a$0$802$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> Op 23-6-2017 om 22:33 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>> In article <594d73f2$0$827$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>> Op 23-6-2017 om 20:21 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>>> In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>>>> Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming
>>>>>>>>> they mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or
>>>>>>>>>'10 years before the first episode of TOS' then, yes,
>>>>>>>>> he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's flashbacks take place
>>>>>>>>> 11 years before season 2,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264
>>>>>>>> was when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
>>>>>> Timeline.
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>> Funny thing is, in 'Encounter at Farpoint', Data says he graduated from
>>>> Starfleet in '78.... Which would place that in I think 2278. 2378 would
>>>> be really silly in the light of 2364 mentioned by Geordi in a later
>>>> episode.
>>>>
>>>> If 2278 is true, for that episode, than I think that their first inkling
>>>> was to set TNG around 2300.
>>>>
>>>> I have somewhere in my collection (I don't remember the exact title) a
>>>> guide to the history of ships named 'Enterprise', with a timeline that
>>>> shifts the now 'official' timeline some 60 years into the past. Which
>>>> better suits what was going on in TOS.
>>>>
>>>> And if I'm not mistaken the text on the cover of the TMP novel states
>>>> that it is set at the beginning of the 23d century. (the German language
>>>> version of Star Trek (TOS) (Raumschiff Enterprise) says it is in the
>>>> year 2200).
>>>>
>>>> So, sadly there was a shift of over half a century.
>>>
>>> TNG was originally in the first year (or years) of the 24th Century, so
>>> call it 2301. It was also 78 years after real Trek, so call real Trek
>>> 2223 (we don't know *where* in real Trek, so there's some leeway). Mr.
>>> Scott's Guide to the Enterprise put TMP in 2222 (IIRC).
>>
>> I have that one too somewhere. :-)
>
> :)
>>
>> > All of that
>>> worked just fine. Then at the end of TNG's first season, Data tells the
>>> guys from the past that it's "By your calendar two thousand three
>>> hundred sixty four." and they decided that rather than admit Data (or
>>> credited writers Maurice Hurley and/or Deborah McIntyre and/or Mona
>>> Clee*) got it wrong they've been retconning ever since. Of course it
>>> never helped that Encounter at Farpoint stuck in an extra world war.
>>> And then some idiot decided it would be cute if TOS eps took place
>>> exactly 300 years after they aired ...
>>
>> Maybe in part influenced by the episode 'Miri', but I might give them
>> too much credit for it to be that.
>
> Yeah, we have to ignore Miri (although quite frankly if you showed me
> Mayberry today, I'd say it was at least 100 years old).
>
> We also have to ignore Decker in TMP, but that's easy, 'cause Decker was
> an idiot. :)
>>
>>> *note that this is the only Trek McIntyre or Clee ever wrote. I've
>>> wondered if McIntyre is related to Vonda N. McIntyre who wrote all that
>>> terrible fanfic before finagling her way into writing bad novelizations.
>>>
>>> BTW, good to see you again Wouter! :)
>>
>> Likewise! :-)
>
Not that any dates in SF series worry me too much, but when I want to
look a date up, I usually use ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek
Lots of dates there ... even some showing as "(Reboot Stardate)" ....
whatever that means!
Daniel
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