From: clark@griswold.com
In message news:48c820c6$0$4030$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net, "Sean
Carroll" done wrote:
> "That80sGuy" wrote
>
>> I'd pick Miami Vice's Lt. Castillo over Skinner any day:
>>
>> - Skinner was in fewer than half of TXF's episodes; Castillo appeared
>> in 105 of 111 episodes (he joined after the first 6 because Gregory
>> Sierra, who played the previous Lieutenant, didn't want to do a
>> series).
>
> What the hell does the fraction of episodes he was in have to do with
> how great a boss he was?
The writers obviously felt they could tell their story without Skinner's
involvement and/or point of view more than half the time.
> Go watch the scene where Skinner reveals his near-death experience in
> Vietnam to Mulder in 'One Breath'. Or where he tells CSM to pucker up
> and kiss his ass in 'Paper Clip'. Or where he has a knock-down drag-out
> fight with X, in order to get Mulder's location through 'unofficial
> channels', in 'End Game'. Or where he socks Krycek in the solar plexus,
> yanks him around like a rag doll, throws him outside, and handcuffs him
> out on the freezing-cold balcony, telling him to 'think warm thoughts',
> in 'Tunguska'. Or any number of other moments when he kicks ass and
> takes names -- and then come back and tell me with a straight face that
> he doesn't deserve to be on the list because he was only in 'fewer than
> half of the episodes'. What a pathetic argument.
You're bringing the phrase "kicks ass and takes names" into an argument
against Castillo? It's obvious you've never watched a single episode of
Miami Vice.
> Besides which, considering that TXF had 201 episodes and 2 movies, and
> Skinner was in 82 of them and *both* movies -- despite having not even
> been introduced until halfway through episode 21 -- and, in fact,
> appeared in more than *twice* as many episodes as *any* cast member
> besides David and Gillian (the next closest was Robert Patrick, with 40
> episodes) ... I'd say he appeared in goddamn plenty enough episodes to
> deserve recognition as a major part of the show.
Blasphemous profanity merely demonstrates that your argument is based
purely on personal prejudices rather than the facts.
>> - Castillo was a strong enough character that four or five episodes
>> were centered on him; I recall one Skinner-based ep at best.
>
> You have very bad recal. Immediately off the top of my head I can list
> 'Avatar', 'Zero Sum', 'SR 819', and (arguably, partly) 'Brand X' and
> 'Hollywood AD'.
>
> And that's *before* going to my episode guide and checking
> systematically. And not even counting all the other great moments he
> had in numerous episodes that weren't entirely focused on him, of which
> I listed only a very few examples above.
Please do go to your episode guide and check systematically. Better yet,
watch your first episode of Vice. Try "Bushido" - it was directed by Olmos
(another arrow missing from Pillegi's quiver).
>> - Castillo's character was far more developed, in fact Eddie Olmos had
>> him fully drawn before he even uttered one line of dialog. Skinner
>> was far more generically drawn.
>
> I have no idea how you could have possibly come to this conclusion,
> unless you simply did not actually watch The X-Files. Skinner was
> perhaps the most subtly and complexly shaded character on the show,
> constantly struggling to maintain his position through divided
> loyalties and responsibilities, trying to do right while also toeing
> the bureaucratic line.
In other words he was drawn as the consummate flip-flopper, able to either
stall or advance M&S's actions in order to help an episode fit the
necessary timeframe.
>> - Castillo is far and away the fanbase's favorite secondary character;
>> most
>> X-philes prefer CSM, RatBoy, Deep Throat, or TLG to Skinner.
>
> I seriously doubt you can present *any* sort of evidence whatsoever for
> this bald-faced assertion.
>
> Trust me -- Skinner has ALWAYS been extraordinarily well loved around
> these parts, especially among the female X-Philes.
And how many have stood up for Skinner here, besides you? Zero.
Oh, and "Well loved" != "Favorite." Thanks for conceding my point.
>> - Olmos won both an Emmy and a Golden Globe playing Castillo; Pillegi
>> earned only ensemble nominations and never won.
>
> What the hell does that have to do with the quality of his rôle, or its
> importance to the show and to pop culture? Do you *honestly* believe
> that those little statues are awarded based on objective merit??
> **Seriously**???
I see. So one shmoe's blog which agree's with you is God's Word, while an
Emmy Award is worthless. The irony meter overheats.
> In short, I hate to rain on your parade, but your arguments are all
> either extraordinarily weak, completely irrelevant, just plain flat-out
> untrue, or all of the above. Skinner deserves every bit of recognition
> he gets on that list, and then some, regardless of whatever bizarre
> personal inferiority complex you have that drives you to rail against
> him so.
Again, your having to resort to personal ad hominem attack demonstrates
that you yourself don't even believe what you're writing.
Let's face it - your response was 86 lines and not a word you wrote
concerned Castillo, Olmos, or Miami Vice. I've watched every episode of
BOTH MV and TXF; you've obviously never watched a single ep of Vice.
--- SoupGate-DOS v1.05
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