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   John Greenwald has updated his commentry on why the Navy denied his   
   request to release vids it has showing UFO's possibly interacting with   
   Navy aircraft and ships.   
   According to public documents released recently there are believed to be   
   100s if not more of them.   
   The Navy has already released 3 vids showing aircraft in pursuit of   
   unusual objects that fly, submerge underwater, and buzz battle groups   
   off the Cal coast.   
   Pilots have told the press they see things over the Atlantic   
   that defy explanation "every day we fly out there".   
      
      
   From Black Vault (no link; Greenwald doesn't like it):   
      
   US Navy Says ALL UAP/UFO Videos Are Classified And Exempt From Release   
   John Greenewald   
   Sept 8, 2022   
   Updated:Sept 13, 2022   
      
   After a nearly 2 and a half year effort, The Black Vault was denied   
   under FOIA to get videos declassified depicting Unidentified Aerial   
   Phenomena (UAP) citing a harm to national security, if released.   
      
   Since Dec of 2017, 2 videos that surfaced of alleged   
   Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) sightings captivated the   
   world. Months later, a third was released that only increased public   
   interest into the topic, but also strengthened their voice for   
   transparency about the mysterious phenomena.   
      
   Even though the military said they were not cleared for public   
   dissemination and considered leaked, the Navy later would officially   
   release copies of the same in April of 2020 to satisfy public   
   curiosity and calls for transparency. But, how many other videos were   
   there?   
      
   At that moment, The Black Vault aimed to find out just that.   
      
   So, in April of 2020, The Black Vault began a pursuit to have the   
   US Navy release ALL of their videos that held a UAP designation. And   
   after nearly 2 and a half years, the untold number of videos with   
   that UAP designation have been fully denied due to national security   
   concerns.  The Pursuit   
      
   This story begins on April 28, 2020, when The Black Vault filed FOIA   
   case DON-NAVY-2020-007226 (later renumbered in Nov of 2020 after   
   a bogus rejection and given new case number DON-NAVY-2021-001457) to   
   the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), the same command that   
   officially released the 3 UAP videos one day prior.   
      
   [IMAGE] NAVAIR's official denial wherein they stated they had no   
   additional UAP videos to release   
      
   The request was simple. It asked for all videos that were designated   
   "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena", just like the FLIR1, Gimbal and   
   GoFast videos that they had previously released and labeled as   
   "UAP". The FOIA case filed sought ALL of them.   
      
   It seemed plausible if there were three, there were more at   
   NAVAIR. However, in March of 2022, NAVAIR would deny that request   
   stating that they found no additional videos. It seemed strange they   
   had three, and only those three, but other requests had already been   
   filed by The Black Vault to seek out more places UAP videos might be   
   hiding.   
      
   On Feb 2, 2021, The Black Vault had also filed FOIA request   
   DON-NAVY-2021-001456. Given that it was recognized by Congress, and   
   stated in the media numerous times, this specific case was filed with   
   the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) which was said to be the home   
   for the UAP Task Force (UAPTF). Yet, it would take 17 months for ONI   
   to inform The Black Vault that the videos, if any designation "UAP"   
   should exist, would be housed at the Office of the Chief of Naval   
   Operations (N2/N6), and a new case needed to be filed there. It   
   appeared that the 17 month wait endured, was a complete waste of time.   
      
   A new case was filed DON-NAVY-2022-010360 to N2/N6, and only two   
   months after that was filed on July 11, 2022, The Black Vault received   
   the official denial.   
      
   "The UAP Task Force has responded back to DNS-36 and have stated that   
   the requested videos contain sensitive information pertaining to   
   Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and are classified and are exempt   
   from disclosure in their entirety under exemption 5 USC. § 552   
   (b)(1) in accordance with Executive Order 13526 and the UAP Security   
   Classification Guide," Gary Cason, Deputy Director, DON FOIA/PA   
   Program Office, said in the response letter. "The release of this   
   information will harm national security as it may provide adversaries   
   valuable information regarding Dept of Defense/Navy operations,   
   vulnerabilities, and/or capabilities. No portions of the videos can be   
   segregated for release."   
      
   Potentially seeing a justification of an appeal, the US Navy   
   uncharacteristically gave additional details for their decision, which   
   cited the previous release of 3 UAP videos.   
      
   "While 3 UAP videos were released in the past, the facts specific   
   to those 3 videos are unique in that those videos were initially   
   released via unofficial channels before official release," Cason   
   stated in the letter. "Those events were discussed extensively in the   
   public domain; in fact, major news outlets conducted specials on these   
   events. Given the amount of information in the public domain regarding   
   these encounters, it was possible to release the files without further   
   damage to national security."   
      
   The Black Vault has filed an appeal seeking the release of the videos   
   denied.   
      
      
   --   
   "Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.   
   Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less."   
   - Marie Curie   
      
   Unidentified aerial phenomena I. Observations of events   
   B.E. Zhilyaev, V. N. Petukhov, V. M. Reshetnyk   
   Main Astronomical Observatory, NAS of Ukraine,   
   Zabalotnoho 27, 03680, Kyiv, Ukraine   
   [...] We present a broad range of UAPs. We see them everywhere. We observe a   
   significant number of objects whose nature is not clear. Flights of single,   
   group and squadrons of the ships were detected, moving at speeds from 3 to   
   15 degrees per second. Some bright objects exhibit regular brightness   
   variability in the range of 10 - 20 Hz.  Two-site observations of UAPs at a   
   base of 120 km with 2 synchronised cameras allowed the detection of   
   a variable object, at an altitude of 1170 km. It flashes for one hundredth   
   of a second at an average of 20 Hz. [...]   
   An object contrast makes it possible to estimate the distance using   
   colourimetric methods.  [Objects with 0 albedo] are observed in the   
   troposphere at distances up to 10-12 km. We estimate their size from 3 to 12   
   meters and speeds up to 15 km/s. [...]   
   [Astronomers in Ukraine have undertaken their own independent survey   
   of objects they see flying over the Kyiv region at speeds around 15 km/sec.   
   They are watching the daytime sky at the zenith and in front of the moon.   
   They see many objects --, some bright and some dark, different sizes.   
   They travel often singly but sometimes in large groups.   
   They are not likely anything sent by Russia or any other country].   
      
   'Cosmic' and 'phantom' UFOs are all over Ukraine's skies, govt report   
   claims   
   Live Science, 15 Sep 2022 05:00Z   
   Of course, given that Russia and Ukraine have been locked in a months-long   
   war that relies heavily on aircraft and drones, it ...   
      
     Scientists in Ukraine say they've spotted several UFOs   
      
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