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   Kym Horsell to All   
   pioneer 11 and saturn (1/2)   
   15 Mar 23 23:29:51   
   
   From: kymhorsell@gmail.com   
      
   I've previously noted that some databases I tend to visit seem to be   
   "lightly edited" to remove stuff that "might be relevant to national   
   security". E.g. you tend to see images from telescopes significantly   
   thin on the ground the day before a mass UFO sighting.  It seems   
   person or persons unknown goes back and pulls images that may have   
   been set for release to the public "in case" they contain things the   
   public is not ready to see. The public here means even scientists   
   working in related areas.   
      
   And in the past couple days the AI's have alerted me to another   
   possible footprint in a "public database.   
      
   Avi Loeb mentioned something about the Pioneer probes in a recent   
   piece to The Debrief. So I decided to point at the dataset and tell   
   the programs to go look at it. And they dutifully did.   
      
   But downloaded some of the data gave an unexpected error.  An error   
   even the software at the relevant institute could not handle.  If the   
   data had a "regular gap" I've noticed the software at the web site   
   just notes that and you get some of the data before or after the gap   
   and you have to make do with interpolating across the missing stuff.   
      
   But in this case even the web site software did not expected whatever   
   it found in the dataset and choked with a "memory dump".  Essentially   
   the whole year of data tracing the path of Pioneer 11 meeting Saturn   
   was unexpectedly MIA.   
      
   In other database encounters I've found file present in the database   
   but the contents mysteriously blacked out. Normally you might expect   
   if something was not available then no file pretending to have the   
   information would be stored at the relevant web-site. It's just a waste   
   of disk space even if disks are large these days.   
      
   It all just sounds so Men In Black. :)   
      
   But if the data is missing then perhaps with what remains around the   
   gap we can see what was being hidden.   
      
   And so I patched together the data on Saturn and the data on the   
   position of Pioneer 11 and ran some statistical tests, just ignoring   
   the 1y gap in the middle.   
      
   And this is what the programs found:   
      
   dsatp11 0.01109251  -0.149659 +- 0.190957      ttest 90% CI ranktest 5% sig   
   p11r    0.00612584  0.0511833 +- 0.0881014     ranktest 1% sig   
   p11th   0.00477826  0.00306197 +- 0.00597168   ranktest 1% sig   
   satr    0.00103022  0.272704 +- 0.956722       ranktest 1% sig   
   satth   0.00098001  0.00224045 +- 0.00805915   ranktest 1% sig   
      
   These 5 runs compared the relevant data with NUFORC sightings data for   
   the same period on a day by day basis. The program does a robust   
   regression, taking into account some peculiarities of time-series.   
   (Essentially, data sorted by date or time can have "inertia" whereby   
   certain variables don't want to move from where they were in the past;   
   and this can screw up normal statistical tests and over-estimate how   
   much the input variable "x" affects the output variable "y" that both   
   also depend on time).   
      
   The 5 series relate to the distance of P11 and Saturn from the sun   
   (the "r" data), the ecliptic longitudes (how many degrees from a   
   reference point they have moved in their orbits), and the distance in   
   AU between the 2.   
      
   It seems the distance between the 2 is the most statistically relevant.   
   It passes 2 tests at high significance; the others only pass 1 test.   
   While it means UFO sightings seem to be "somewhat" related to the   
   position of Saturn and the position of the probe on its mission they   
   are REALLY dependent on the distance between the probe and Saturn.   
      
   It's not like we haven't seen this before. I posted some time back some   
   analysis of the Voyager missions. As they one or both converged on   
   certain planets there were statistically-related changes in UFO report   
   (aka activity). It turned out that Saturn was different from other   
   planets the probes visited.   
      
   In these runs we find the beta for the distance (dsatp11) shows   
   -ve. There is a big interval for possible values of beta but the stat   
   test is 90% sure it is supposed to be -ve.  I.e. the closer the probe   
   came to Saturn over those years incl the missing 1979 the more UFO   
   sightings were reported day by day to the NUFORC.   
      
   Now this might, of course, relate to the interest generated by the   
   news that P11 was approaching Saturn. Some people might listen to the   
   news, run out into their back yards and look at the sky for an hour   
   and spot some odd cloud, Chinese weather balloon, or patch of swamp   
   gas, and run to the telephone to report a UFO.   
      
   But our journey with the NUFORC dataset has shown us while many of the   
   entries may have a dubious relevance to anything real (and the   
   curators do a reasonable job of pointing out Space X sat trains and   
   likely hoax calls), there is a solid kernel of "something else" in the   
   numbers. Exactly what the proportion of "data" to "noise" might be is   
   still an open question AFAIK.  But it isn't 0.   
      
   So we have some evidence that as P11 approached Saturn there was an   
   "actual" up-tick in UFO activity across N America.  And that might   
   help explain why a year of the data is missing. Like some telescope   
   images are missing or blacked out. It is not in the public interest,   
   so the official message might be, for anyone to know the details.  It   
   would cause a panic. Or it would just worry people and we have enough   
   on our plates worrying about everything else we see on the nightly   
   news. So there. Aren't we being nice?   
      
   We might all speculate what the data that's missing might actually   
   look like or suggest. I've plotted the paths of P11 and Saturn in   
   those last 3 years before contact. It seems before the gap P11 is   
   intersecting Saturn at (let's say) "right angles". After the gap P11   
   is flying parallel with Saturn.  Pretty neat turn! Did it need help?   
   Did it go temporarily MIA and stop answering the phone only to turn up   
   working fine later with no memory of what had happened? OK. The jokes   
   are possibly endless.   
      
   But the problem with what may be secret censorship of scientific   
   information is -- the missing bits of data will affect conclusions   
   drawn in all kinds of research, and the taint will tend to radiate   
   outward and snowball. Sure, it may slow some "big secret" getting out,   
   but a lot of the science that gets done before the inevitable happens   
   and everyone actually knows the secret will be wrong in sometimes   
   subtle and sometimes very important ways. We don't know when the   
   errors will bite us in the bum.   
      
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