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|    Kym Horsell to All    |
|    pioneer 11 and saturn (1/2)    |
|    15 Mar 23 23:29:51    |
      From: kymhorsell@gmail.com              I've previously noted that some databases I tend to visit seem to be       "lightly edited" to remove stuff that "might be relevant to national       security". E.g. you tend to see images from telescopes significantly       thin on the ground the day before a mass UFO sighting. It seems       person or persons unknown goes back and pulls images that may have       been set for release to the public "in case" they contain things the       public is not ready to see. The public here means even scientists       working in related areas.              And in the past couple days the AI's have alerted me to another       possible footprint in a "public database.              Avi Loeb mentioned something about the Pioneer probes in a recent       piece to The Debrief. So I decided to point at the dataset and tell       the programs to go look at it. And they dutifully did.              But downloaded some of the data gave an unexpected error. An error       even the software at the relevant institute could not handle. If the       data had a "regular gap" I've noticed the software at the web site       just notes that and you get some of the data before or after the gap       and you have to make do with interpolating across the missing stuff.              But in this case even the web site software did not expected whatever       it found in the dataset and choked with a "memory dump". Essentially       the whole year of data tracing the path of Pioneer 11 meeting Saturn       was unexpectedly MIA.              In other database encounters I've found file present in the database       but the contents mysteriously blacked out. Normally you might expect       if something was not available then no file pretending to have the       information would be stored at the relevant web-site. It's just a waste       of disk space even if disks are large these days.              It all just sounds so Men In Black. :)              But if the data is missing then perhaps with what remains around the       gap we can see what was being hidden.              And so I patched together the data on Saturn and the data on the       position of Pioneer 11 and ran some statistical tests, just ignoring       the 1y gap in the middle.              And this is what the programs found:              dsatp11 0.01109251 -0.149659 +- 0.190957 ttest 90% CI ranktest 5% sig       p11r 0.00612584 0.0511833 +- 0.0881014 ranktest 1% sig       p11th 0.00477826 0.00306197 +- 0.00597168 ranktest 1% sig       satr 0.00103022 0.272704 +- 0.956722 ranktest 1% sig       satth 0.00098001 0.00224045 +- 0.00805915 ranktest 1% sig              These 5 runs compared the relevant data with NUFORC sightings data for       the same period on a day by day basis. The program does a robust       regression, taking into account some peculiarities of time-series.       (Essentially, data sorted by date or time can have "inertia" whereby       certain variables don't want to move from where they were in the past;       and this can screw up normal statistical tests and over-estimate how       much the input variable "x" affects the output variable "y" that both       also depend on time).              The 5 series relate to the distance of P11 and Saturn from the sun       (the "r" data), the ecliptic longitudes (how many degrees from a       reference point they have moved in their orbits), and the distance in       AU between the 2.              It seems the distance between the 2 is the most statistically relevant.       It passes 2 tests at high significance; the others only pass 1 test.       While it means UFO sightings seem to be "somewhat" related to the       position of Saturn and the position of the probe on its mission they       are REALLY dependent on the distance between the probe and Saturn.              It's not like we haven't seen this before. I posted some time back some       analysis of the Voyager missions. As they one or both converged on       certain planets there were statistically-related changes in UFO report       (aka activity). It turned out that Saturn was different from other       planets the probes visited.              In these runs we find the beta for the distance (dsatp11) shows       -ve. There is a big interval for possible values of beta but the stat       test is 90% sure it is supposed to be -ve. I.e. the closer the probe       came to Saturn over those years incl the missing 1979 the more UFO       sightings were reported day by day to the NUFORC.              Now this might, of course, relate to the interest generated by the       news that P11 was approaching Saturn. Some people might listen to the       news, run out into their back yards and look at the sky for an hour       and spot some odd cloud, Chinese weather balloon, or patch of swamp       gas, and run to the telephone to report a UFO.              But our journey with the NUFORC dataset has shown us while many of the       entries may have a dubious relevance to anything real (and the       curators do a reasonable job of pointing out Space X sat trains and       likely hoax calls), there is a solid kernel of "something else" in the       numbers. Exactly what the proportion of "data" to "noise" might be is       still an open question AFAIK. But it isn't 0.              So we have some evidence that as P11 approached Saturn there was an       "actual" up-tick in UFO activity across N America. And that might       help explain why a year of the data is missing. Like some telescope       images are missing or blacked out. It is not in the public interest,       so the official message might be, for anyone to know the details. It       would cause a panic. Or it would just worry people and we have enough       on our plates worrying about everything else we see on the nightly       news. So there. Aren't we being nice?              We might all speculate what the data that's missing might actually       look like or suggest. I've plotted the paths of P11 and Saturn in       those last 3 years before contact. It seems before the gap P11 is       intersecting Saturn at (let's say) "right angles". After the gap P11       is flying parallel with Saturn. Pretty neat turn! Did it need help?       Did it go temporarily MIA and stop answering the phone only to turn up       working fine later with no memory of what had happened? OK. The jokes       are possibly endless.              But the problem with what may be secret censorship of scientific       information is -- the missing bits of data will affect conclusions       drawn in all kinds of research, and the taint will tend to radiate       outward and snowball. Sure, it may slow some "big secret" getting out,       but a lot of the science that gets done before the inevitable happens       and everyone actually knows the secret will be wrong in sometimes       subtle and sometimes very important ways. We don't know when the       errors will bite us in the bum.              --       Upcoming events:       10 Apr 2023 11am EDT: NOAA's Billion Dollar Disasters 23Q1              Most Sun-like stars formed billions of years before the Sun, a time lag              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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