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|    Kym Horsell to All    |
|    ufos and starlink (1/2)    |
|    31 May 23 22:08:57    |
      From: kymhorsell@gmail.com              I note the NUFORC has put up another tranche of UFO sightings in the past       week, up to around mid-May 2023.              There was some discussion on their BB about whether or not sightings       had suddenly decreased. Someone said the numbers seemed to show they       had, but someone else pointed out they can take some time to come in.              I had looked at this just recently. Beside the date a sightings is       said to have happened, the NUFORC keep track of when the report was       made. So you can rummage through the data and see how often reports       were made within 1 wk of the sighting, 2 wks, 3 wks, etc.              It turns out for data after 2006 when web reporting went online that       people wait an average of around 1m before they either find the web       report form or work up the nerve to say something after ignoring the       titters from their friends for weeks. But the stddev -- the +- that       captures about 70% of cases -- is around 10 months. So some people       wait a lot longer than average before they report anything.              But the pattern is also clear. Between 2006 and ~2019 everyone seemed       to behave about the same. If someone saw something they were equally       likely to report it an any subsequent week. The average just worked       out to be around 4 wks. But AFTER 2019 people started to clam       up. Despite there being ample time between then and now to make a report,        it seems fewer people than usual have come forward. And given the big       pandemic spike in reports, you have to wonder why people are so       reticent. On the plus side, it seems in the past couple of years the       pattern may have again shifted and people have flipped to becoming       more ready to report odd things they see in the sky. But the data on       this last part falls in the "statistically weak" basket. We need more       data. ;)              Which brings me to the ACTUAL point of this post. Toward the end of me       reading all this on the NUFORC web-site, I spotted someone complaining       their sighting had been marked up as "starlink". The NUFORC accept all       reports, leave them pretty much as the witness presented them, but       sometimes add an annotation in "(((...)))" as part of at least the       short comment that we can see in the short form of sightings reports.              The person concerned argued they had shone a flashlight at the line of       ~20 objects and they disappeared, proving it wasn't a sat train.       Obviously -- possible. But it is at least equally likely they were a       sat train. Other people on the relevant forum said as much. (And, of       course, I added my 2c worth).              But this in no way whatever should be regarded as a criticism of the       original witness. They saw something they didn't understand and they       reported it. [Insert standing ovation here]. The NUFORC accepted the       report as stated and added the annotation. [Ditto].              And here I will point out such reports are incredibly important to       receive and add to the database because they give a baseline reading       on how witnesses behave.              One of the problems with this kind of witness data -- and why       traditional science typically falls on its face for 70y -- is it's       not easy to dis-entangle the behaviour of the objects reported from the       behaviour of the witnesses. If the sightings reports have some kind of       property -- i.e. one state saw more sightings than another state -- is       that because more objects were in the sky over one state compared with       the other state? Or it it because there are more people in one state       than the other to do the reporting? Or is it that people in one state       are more confident to report something than another state where the       general idea is things in the sky are nothing and should be ignored.              This is where the baseline measures like starlink come in. We can look       at the sightings reports of such things are compare their patterns       against the patterns of other kinds of report. The starlink sightings       presumably have the patterns created by witness behaviour and       starlink behaviour. And having now 2 different mixtures we can tease       apart all three patterns of behaviour.              As an example let's review an old pattern prev posted. The frequency       of sightings by day of week.              It's an unusual factoid, but NUFORC sightings seem to occur more       frequently as the week progresses. Monday has the lower numbers, Tue       has slightly more, Wed, Thu, Fri sees increasing numbers with Sat the       most common day to see something in the sky (according to reports) and       Sun starting to decline again to return to the next Mon and       another low-point in sightings.              Now. Is this because UFO's behave this way? Or is it because people       behave this way? Or -- of course -- some kind of combination.              Well the baseline data can hint at what is what.              There are presently an incredibly 1400+ reports of objects the NUFORC       suspects are starlink trains. If we break them down by D.O.W. we find:              Dow(Sun==1) reports marked "(((starlink)))"       1 246        2 206        3 182        4 167        5 273        6 216        7 197               If we compare these with sightings that are NOT starlink and also I       filter out reports that are made long after the sighting, that might       result in someone mis-remembering what the date of the sighting really       was, we find:              Dow Non-starlink with report within a few weeks of sighting       1 11778       2 9980       3 10208       4 10845       5 11044       6 11929       7 15280              Which the stats assures us is much different from the starlink pattern.              Whatever the reason for Mon being a minimum sighting day it does not       seem to be because fewer people are looking at the sky. It is likely       to be a property of the UFOs.              In a prev post we had a look at this with some Machine Learning model       that suggested -- based on another baseline kind of sighting that       mentioned an interaction between a UFO and a jet or other conventional       aircraft -- that UFO's flying across the US may be trying to avoid       military patrols that may be slightly less common on Saturday and       suddenly much more common and refreshed and alert on Monday.              So thank-you all those 1400+ people that saw something and reported it       no matter whether it might be a starlink train or not. You did not       waste your time. You did not waste our time in reading the reports.       We figured something out from it. Another brick in the long long road              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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