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   From: nospam@buzz.off   
      
   On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 15:52:45 -0700, the following appeared   
   in sci.skeptic, posted by Vincent Maycock   
   :   
      
   >On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 16:32:00 -0500, Dawn Flood   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 6/29/2025 11:47 PM, JTEM wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> #3.  The theists had evidence. Plenty of it. Maybe some   
   >>> did not find it compelling but even evidence that isn't   
   >>> compelling is still evidence. Let's start with medical   
   >>> miracles! And then there's the fact that science itself   
   >>> regularly invokes God for an explanation. Of course   
   >>> they have to change the name to avoid triggering the   
   >>> stupid people so instead of "God" they say "Observer"   
   >>> in the Copenhagen interpretation. They say the   
   >>> "Programmer" in the simulated Universe or even the   
   >>> "Brain universe."   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>Please cite the evidence against the existence of the FSM, IPUs, etc.;   
   >>name a single miracle; name a single scientific paper in the last 40   
   >>years that appeals to "God" as being an explanation for anything.  (The   
   >>Copenhagen Interpretation is not the only interpretation of QM.)   
   >   
   >"The observer" in the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics   
   >is not God.  Otherwise, God would go around collapsing wave functions   
   >as he observed them, before humans got a chance to add their   
   >observations in.   
   >   
   >Preventing decoherence (roughly the same thing as wave function   
   >collapse) by humans  is one of the most important goals in the search   
   >for technologically viable quantum computers.  It has nothing to do   
   >with God.   
   >   
   You realize that you are holding this "discussion" with   
   someone who considers that "cite the evidence against [X]",   
   where X has not been observed (and, at least in the case of   
   the FSM, is basically a parody), is a valid request, right?   
   >   
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