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   From: jtem01@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/4/25 8:27 AM, Malte Runz wrote:   
   > On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W"    
   > wrote:   
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   > (snip)   
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   >> Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...   
   >   
   > Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that   
   > entails.   
      
   To be fair, we can all agree that there had to be crashes galore!   
      
   Satellites, military aircraft, secret test crafts, balloons...   
      
   Plenty crashed.   
      
   And if any of them had the slightest value to the military or the   
   CIA, they were retrieved.   
      
   I mean, you do know about the whole "Chinese Balloon" thing from   
   2023. Right?   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chinese_balloon_incident   
      
   Balloon technology is centuries old, and spy balloons go back at   
   least as far as the 1950s.   
      
   The Japanese used balloons are long range weapons platforms during   
   WWII...   
      
   Think of this:  Even a weather balloon, once retrieved, might   
   provide you with a heck of a lot of intel on a potential enemy's   
   capabilities... the equipment inside... gets you a look at some   
   of their high end instruments!   
      
   So I think it safe to say that everyone agrees that there have   
   been countless crashes over the last 80 years or so, and that   
   many of these involved retrieval efforts. What is under dispute   
   is NOT the fact that things crash (and get retrieved) but what   
   specifically it was that crashed.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
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